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Just ask me . ( which has been presented a million times) 1) ACTS 1 2) MATT 24 3) MATT 25 4) The last supper dialogue " you will be with me in heaven" ..( remember, postribbs say they do not go to heaven) Also At the last supper ,Jesus said to the disciples "I will not drink of this cup again...

If you have a problem with the flesh body raised, then what will you do with the God man Jesus BODILY RESURRECTION and the empty tomb.? PSSST....Jesus is the firstfruits OF THE RESURRECTION. You doctrine has taken you into foolish reasoning

I partially agree. But the foolish are virgins that miss the rapture. They appear in heaven with dirty robes washed clean after being martyred by refusing the mark. Millions of them. The virgin parable is a depiction of "worthy vs unworthy". The 2 escape verses are "worthy vs unworthy" "...

Lol You just OMITTED JESUS WORDS that TEACH a pretrib rapture. Then advise me to do the same. The pretrib rapture is easy to defend. You verify you are wrong over and over VIA OMISSION. Postribber banner foundation verse "after the trib" is a pretrib rapture verse!!!! You claim Jesus...

Again, through OMISSION, you present your doctrine. I see this over and over. You Omit that the gathering of the Jews in Rev 14 is a Jewish only gathering. But even if you omit it, you still have a mid trib gathering BEFORE the second coming on white horses, AFTER the 7 yr trib. QUOTE ""The...

Postrib rapture doctrine, originated by men (which postrib rapture adherents celebrate and is taught by postrib rapture teachers), STARTS ITS THEORY on a ASSUMPTION. In that assumption is man's reasoning. Which is ..."there is only one coming" IOW, Casting aside the several comings IN THE...

It CAN NOT be half the world saved and half taken. Your starting place is way off. It says ,; "before the flood"..one taken, one left. Half taken. You are changing both dynamics to fit your assumption. But ,"THE HALF TAKEN", dynamic is RE-INTRODUCED a few sentences later BY JESUS. Jesus gives us...

Matt 24 " before the flood, one taken, one left."

Matt 24 " before the flood, one taken, one left."

Basic undstanding. Of course satan is a fallen angel. Tradition also says Jesus is the son of God. Trying to nullify a concept via the word "tradition" is a stretch.

Most anyone with basic knowledge knows man is three part Spirit Soul Body Nothing new.

You seem to be a great guy and a man of God, but we 100% disagree on end times.

The subject is the first resurrection. The resurrection in Rev 20 is referring to the resurrection at the rapture, and the subsequent resurrection of those left behind. All of it pre trib and during the trib. ( Jesus and those resurrected with Jesus being the firstfruits of the 1st resurrection...

Fits pretrib rapture. I agree 100% he brings the dead saints with him in 1 these 4. Who/what enters the bodies of clay when resurrected? It is their spirits that went on to heaven at death. Their BODIES are in the grave. The SPIRIT of the dead saints in heaven, with Jesus, joins their...

No It says the dead in christ rise first and then we meet them in the air at the pretrib rapture. The dead in Christ are raised, and then raptured off the face of the earth.

You keep reiterating that AFTER the trib there is a gathering BY ANGELS IN HEAVEN. YES YES YES WE AGREE. Those saints in heaven are gathered to go back to earth. They are IN HEAVEN. They got there via the pretrib rapture. Your emphasis on the postrib post 7 year trib RETURN TO EARTH demonstrates...

All that fits pretrib rapture. 100% perfect fit.

The gwtj has the entire planet resurrected and judged. Some pass through and some condemned. The first resurrection is a harvest. Harvest is 3 parts. Jesus and those from paradise are first resurrection firstfruits. Then main harvest, the bride. Then Rev 14 the jews. Postrib rapture doctrine...

Jesus said " before the flood, one taken, one left" ( 50% taken) A few sentences later Jesus confirmed the same 50% taken. Jesus said "Before the flood...watch and be ready." Wanna know why postribbers leave that out? There is a reason. Note that their main banner and pillar is "after". They...

No Your deal with Peter is 100% FALSE. SMH. JUST RIDICULOUS