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  1. rebuilder 454

    PRETRIB RAPTURE ANCIENT ROOTS

    You referenced a verse saying that unless those days be shorten no flesh would be saved, but for the Elect sake those days will be shortened Read Rev 14. The elect...the Jews are saved. Again I can't stress enough that you need to get knowledge of the 2 wives. The 2 covenants. 1 the bride of...
  2. rebuilder 454

    PRETRIB RAPTURE ANCIENT ROOTS

    QUOTE " this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come." Yes it says the church/ Holy Spirit (restrainer) will be removed before the AC is in power. So again, I need a postrib rapture verse. That verses hurts your position.
  3. rebuilder 454

    PRETRIB RAPTURE ANCIENT ROOTS

    Yes. The saints already in heaven are gathered by angels AFTER the trib. Keep reading and find out a couple verses later ( you know...the verses you guys change and omit) it says the RAPTURE is pretrib, preflood. See that? AFTER the tribulation saints gathered in heaven. BEFORE THE FLOOD/TRIB...
  4. rebuilder 454

    PRETRIB RAPTURE ANCIENT ROOTS

    But, but, but, our Darby deal is debunked????? Darby is our main pillar!!!! Without Darby we are sunk!!!!! We built an entire fake doctrine empire off of that one word!!!! Darby Darby Darby...please help us!!!!!! Plain ludicrous building those extra biblical doctrines. They all fail. Bible...
  5. rebuilder 454

    PRETRIB RAPTURE ANCIENT ROOTS

    Well, the thing is, in the postrib rapture doctrine, their investment in a failed doctrine is too heavy. They can not admit they are wrong because they invested so heavily in a failed postrib rapture position that is poorly thought out. The omissions required to believe a postrib rapture...
  6. rebuilder 454

    PRETRIB RAPTURE ANCIENT ROOTS

    Still waiting for a verse pointing to a postrib rapture. Should be easy. Hello????
  7. rebuilder 454

    PRETRIB RAPTURE ANCIENT ROOTS

    I wonder how many I'll informed postribbers will still lie about the rapture In the Bible. This video cuts to the heart of their error.
  8. rebuilder 454

    PRETRIB RAPTURE ANCIENT ROOTS

    We all know they failed Nobody disputes it. Now study " they will be bought back." Study it. It is HOSEA AND GOMER. It is ROMANS 11. This is yet another example of bible verses omissions of EVERY POSITION BUT PRETRIB RAPTURE ADHERENTS. Because we are "WHOLE BIBLE " we OWN end times. You are...
  9. rebuilder 454

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    It tells you in your references you posted that they die in the trib. Hello...no saints "go through " Daniel's 70th week. Anyone left behind dies refusing the mark as you have pointed out. And ...BTW... Rev 14: 14 is the Jewish harvest. The last is first and the first is last. The Jews come...
  10. rebuilder 454

    PRETRIB RAPTURE ANCIENT ROOTS

    True. A good example is Ruth. Without that book the kinsman of Rev 5 is never understood. ....oh and the biggie....the covenant Jew brought back. That is bizarre how a bible student can not place the Jews where God places them!!!. Just Beyond bizarre.
  11. rebuilder 454

    PRETRIB RAPTURE ANCIENT ROOTS

    9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. Oh oh oh....you got a verse!!!!!! Oh wait...total fail. Oh well.
  12. rebuilder 454

    PRETRIB RAPTURE ANCIENT ROOTS

    Hmmm Still no verses. Oh well.
  13. rebuilder 454

    PRETRIB RAPTURE ANCIENT ROOTS

    Lol You reference a verse that says after the tribulation angels gather saints in heaven Pointing to a previous pretrib rapture 7 years earlier. Too funny. Your doctrine has a banner. That banner is "we trust dead ancients of 2000 yrs ago that also erroneously theorized a postrib rapture...
  14. rebuilder 454

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    If you are referring to Rev 20, it supports PRETRIB RAPTURE AND THOSE REFUSING THE MARK BEHEADED DURING THE TRIB. You don't understand dead left behinds DO NOT "go through" the 7 yr gt? Quote "Again and again, there's no pretrib rapture, where is the scripture quote to support your claim?"...
  15. rebuilder 454

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    You don't get it. If all take the mark then there are ONLY THOSE REFUSING that are left with no mark. Those refusing are martyred. Do you understand there is no hope for a postrib rapture? All left behinds are beheaded.. Only pre-trib fits Nothing else does.
  16. rebuilder 454

    PRETRIB RAPTURE ANCIENT ROOTS

    I have never seen an amil or a postribber talk about the feasts. I don't think they know anything about it. I don't think they can connect it to end times And it is to their detriment for sure.
  17. rebuilder 454

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    Prewrath does not fit.( prewrath would be Halfway into the 7 year tribulation / (70th week of Daniel). 2 things happen mid trib ( halfway into the 70th week/ 7 yr trib) 1) the gathering of the jews in rev 14. 2) the AC desecrating the temple and HOH. All Rapture verses have the opposite...
  18. rebuilder 454

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    """Not all them are killed""" According to the bible "all take the mark" Have you looked at that? What does "all" mean? Now you may possibly visualize 10 or so believers hiding in caves for 7 years eating bats and roaches, but even that ain't likely. Postribbers use a ton of imagination...
  19. rebuilder 454

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    QUOTE "There's no such testament as the unjust or unrighteous left behind, carnal and mock the Lord's return, were persecuted by anti-Christ" Correct. All those carnal saved believers left behind as Jesus declares are righteous, and "just". They are Saved but not worthy to be in the bride...
  20. rebuilder 454

    Why hadn't the baptized believers in Samaria received the Holy Spirit?

    You and him. What a pair. Pair of back biters. Neither of you know what in the world you are talking about.