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Paul said he is both.

....which is opposite of postribber doctrine. You guys claim "He ALWAYS gathers the tares first"

1) the only time he comes in power and great glory is the white horse coming of Rev 19. Which is the same reference as mat 24 "after the tribulation"

Imagine a doctrine so sinister that fear of truth is its foundation. That is the postrib rapture doctrine. Sad

How juvenile Now you can read minds and know a stranger better than he himself. Pure silly baloney You are not very old are you.?

What baloney But your lies are from.ignorance. You know you are forbidden from truth right?? That is fear of truth operating in you.

What do postribs do with Rev 19.? It 100% is the second coming. I never see them go there. It is as if it does not exist.

He is telling you to debate honestly. He is not accusing you of aligning with Catholics when you bring up your foundation of men and Darby. But your deal is so weak that you mimic the Catholics. Go to their website. They sound EXACTLY like you Darby Darby Darby Darby Darby Darby Darby Darby...

You talking about that bible that has the setting for the rapture as pretrib? You talking about those posrtibs that do not know the tares are burned in the lof? That Lof that is AFTER THE MIL. you don't have much to celebrate do you? Cherry picker doctrines are everywhere. That's about all I...

...and they are back. Posting verses that say after the trib angels gather saints In heaven That gets transposed magically to Jesus gathers saints on earth. Pooof; magic wand has invented their beloved postrib rapture. No debate. Hands down fail. ...and they high five each other laying in...

Pure 100% baloney. Trying to compare the tribulations of the saints to what is coming. I can easily defend the pretrib rapture. But you guys do not invoke the word. You just now, in your post referred to men and their testimony as your basis. You are calling for all that disagree with YOUR MAN...

QUOTE "The Holy Bible does not say that" Jesus said it. Please do not misrepresent His word. QUOTE "worthy to escape" is NOT synonymous with "evacuation." Tell it to Lot and the baby Jesus. Both evacuated , and those dynamics are not in your talking points And never will be.. QUOTE "The...

Your exact words were addressed. No spin no twisting. The part about the postrib banner is well known fact. Every postribber put the ancients as their number 2 foundation stone. Number 1 is DARBY DARBY DARBY!!!!! Run for the hills!!!! Darby Booger man chasing them with a darby bible. Just...

Cmon postribbers. We are getting desperate here for a single verse. One??? Anybody?????? I thought it was a slam dunk. Ok so maybe no verses. How about one that infers a postrib rapture. I bet there is a ton of them???? Ok....just one....I don't want you guys to implode in a vacuum.

Yes many that died on earth are in heaven. That does not prevent the bible from being true. We DO SEE the other dynamic of those not dying and going to heaven. It is nothing new. Elijah and Enoch went there. DID NOT DIE ON EARTH.

QUOTE "there does not exist a verse of raptured saints returning to Heaven" Huh? 1) pretrib doctrine has the GOING to heaven, not "returning to heaven " 2) you do not know our doctrine, so you can not intelligently debate it. 3 ) the REASON We say we go to heaven is BECAUSE THE BIBLE SAYS IT...

Rev 14:14 Nothing there about they died on earth. Same with the 144k. No indication of them dying. Yet they go to heaven and are there. That " one coming" deal is a fail. You know where that " one coming" theory came from? A blatant departure from what the bible says. Anyone that reads the...

Oh so Noah was In the trib preflood, then the wrath came???? You do realize what you are saying? You are saying that no was in some tribulation. complete with an Antichrist, the other 3 horsemen, a third of them population be in killed. And famine. in all the saints left behind are persecuted...

Oh...silly me. Noah was not gathered preflood. He did not ascend into the heavens. He was gathered after the flood and went high into the sky. ( I had some left over postribber goggles I put on. Then your deal made sense) Lol

When we call them out on their "verses" it is as if some Don Knots anointing comes upon them and they " manfully" post some nonpostrib rapture verses" . .....thinking they did something So funny.