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    The Coming Rapture

    QUOTE "No, they are not martyred, they are destroyed by Jesus. Only believers get martyred. Those left behind include those who the five foolish virgins represent. How can you think that Jesus would tell true Christians that are in the church this... Matthew 25:11 Afterward came also the other...
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    Why do Premillennialists not believe that 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 and 2 Peter 3:10-13 refer to the same event?

    Most amils I know are also replacement theology. No Jewish harvest or future
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    Why do Premillennialists not believe that 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 and 2 Peter 3:10-13 refer to the same event?

    From Google: "Interpretation of the Millennium: Amillennialists believe the "thousand years" in Revelation 20 are symbolic, representing the entire period from Christ's ascension to His return, rather than a literal 1,000-year reign on earth. Current Reign of Christ: They see Christ's reign...
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    The Coming Rapture

    This is WHY the phrase " jot or tittle" is used against changing God's word. One misplaced comma, changes meaning. Very bad to participate in that. I think you may be preterist. That doctrine is easily defended against.
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    The Coming Rapture

    Now add context. "We meet them ( those previously resurrected 3 minutes ago) in the air" What you are doing is FORCING that into a different meaning. Read it all at once, without the make believe pause.
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    The Coming Rapture

    Uh no. You thoughouly tortured all that for doctrine sake. Very bad to do that.
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    The Coming Rapture

    1 Rapture of half the church pretrib as Jesus declared 2 Those left behind are martyred as Revelation declares (Times of the Gentiles fulfilled/ church age over) 3 The 144 k Jews are taken to heaven as firstfruits 4 The midtrib Jewish rapture of Rev 14:14 5 The second coming to earth is last...
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    The Coming Rapture

    Yes. Pretrib rapture teaches exactly that. I have something postribs are missing. I took the time to learn postribber doctrine. You do not know pretrib rapture doctrine.
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    The Coming Rapture

    We are not the ones changing Rev 19.
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    The Coming Rapture

    All pretribs believe the resurrection and the rapture occur at Christ's coming. So simple
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    The Coming Rapture

    It is the exact words you aimed at me. (Push back.) You just called your own deal useless. Rev 19 14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. 21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which...
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    THE APOSTLES DID NOT ALL PREACH THE SAME GOSPEL

    Here is the deal. I am as Pauline as the next man. I live in the epistles mostly. But I do not see the need to smear Jesus, Peter and John and James. That is appalling what paulines do. Nor do I see the need to make salvation into a string of words.
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    THE APOSTLES DID NOT ALL PREACH THE SAME GOSPEL

    Was it not Paul that said all scripture is inspired by God?
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    THE APOSTLES DID NOT ALL PREACH THE SAME GOSPEL

    Neither did Paul when he got saved
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    THE APOSTLES DID NOT ALL PREACH THE SAME GOSPEL

    Yes indeed. Jesus knew his mission. To die. To shed blood To resurrect To redeem To save To restore. To heal To make all things new. Paulines think He was confused as we're all the Apostles.
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    THE APOSTLES DID NOT ALL PREACH THE SAME GOSPEL

    The Pauline doctrine is confusion. Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and forever. I just shake my head at Paulines because they claim that only they have the true revelation of salvation. Then they proceed to give 30 false bogus PowerPoints of the bible. They think Paul is THE MAN...SUPER...
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    The Coming Rapture

    1 these 4 is the gathering of the bride. All of it, both those in graves and alive ones. Rev 19 is the second coming. Two totally different dynamics. It is impossible to make it fit, the 2 settings alone are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. Plus the AC kills all refusing the mark. The church age ends...
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    The Coming Rapture

    Context. 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Now we can see what is actually said. We meet them in the air. Nothing in there is the second coming to earth on white horses...