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Well, we agree on that one vet.

Hi Vet, I "bow out" at times because we reach a stalemate. I see no sense in rehashing the same discussion when neither of us seems to give an inch. It's doubtful to me that you could prove your point with more scripture only because you would have to get lost in a symbolic forest to make any...

Ah well, another topic we aren't going to agree on. Time will tell.

Vet, I see you didn't answer my challenge, however, in the case of Revelations there is no denying symbolism is used occassionaly but usually the context explains itself. But by and large it must be read literally to get the proper understanding. Symbolism is a minefield of speculation just...

Hi Vet, I don't know what to say. That is one of the most outlandish views of the millennium I have ever heard. May I ask if you developed this yourself or is it a teaching you've rec'd, or is it some kind of denominational belief? We are miles apart on this one.

Hi Saint: Your words: "In 70AD the believers did not experience testing; they were all saved." You're kidding, right? Let's see, losing homes, persecution, jailed, crucified left and right, fed to the lions, main victims in the arena, yep no testing there. They might not have been in Jerusalem...

To Whom it may concern, The sheep and goat judgment has zero do to with a resurrection. It is a judgment of the survivors on earth after Armageddon and who will be allowed to enter the millennium.

Hi Vet, Your words: The following Scripture creates a problem with your interpretation of the 'beasts' of our Lord's Revelation... Rev 13:11-13 11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. 12 And he exerciseth all the...

Hi Vet, Your words: "I really don't care what you think about my "elementary students" level of God's usage of symbols. You're attempt to make it harder than what it really is only reveals you think you're smarter than you really are. If you think for one minute that one must go deep into man's...

Hi Saint and Vet, According to scripture the great trib is against God's church, not Israel. Israel has their own time of hardship, the Time of Jacob's Trouble per Jer. 30:7. Different times of trouble for different reasons. The great trib on the church is for 1Peter 1:7 - " That the trial of...

Arrgh, thankee matie!

I did not see your "edit" that had the question about Armageddon. I was answering your first question in post #131. To reply to your second question: "I think the idea is that Jesus leaves heaven with his angelic army, comes to earth in power and glory, gathers Israel back to their land...

There are many aspects to end times theories and probabilities, but one area that is most often neglected is how should we, as christians, behave and what do we do when we find ourselves actually living in the midst of the latter days? Should we hoard food or stockpile guns and ammunition...

Are you even reading what I write? I nowhere came near saying: "2-3 year war of armaggedon? I have to say, I get a different idea from Scripture. I don't think the beast has that much fight against God Almighty" As I've showed you several times, imo, Matt. 24 depicts the pre-wrath rapture and...

Yes, 2-3 yrs. apart, imo

Hi Mark, I'm not implying that it says anything different. Let's look closer. Matt. 25 :31-32 - "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from...

Hi Mark, I don’t believe one could actually use a descriptive phrase such as “will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory,” as a basis for a time frame. Realistically, will there be a time when He does not present Himself with glory? Consider 2 Thess. 2:14...

I'm leading up to it, Mark, if you would answer my question please.

Hi Mark, Do you agree that your verse: Matthew 24:29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then will appear in heaven the sign of the...

Hi Mark, Your words: Pre-wrath? It doesn't work. You end up having to say that passages mean other than what they say. Give me an example please. Your words: Now, for the sake of the debate . . . let's say that this actually were the rapture (it's not), it does not "end the great trib", the...