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I have had fellow pre-tribers Vehemently Disagree With the fact That not all the church is raptured. It is kind of weird How someone can read Matthew 25 ,And not know ,Roughly half of the church is rejected. I got kicked off of a forum Called " Rapture ready", by fellow Pre-Trib Believers...

They are before the throne, in heaven, and it says they have been redeemed the earth earth. Yet another rapture. I can not for the life if me see how anyone can think there is only one coming. Seems impossible. .....and postribbers ENTIRE BELIEF SYSTEM HINGES on one coming.

The first Horseman That actually kicks off the GT Is the Antichrist ,he comes on a white horse, and He's a fake Jesus And murders millions of Christians. In order for the GT to have started somewhere in history you would have needed to see the requirement of worship of the Antichrist, and the...

Lots of people disagree on that term. Several camps have it split up in "trib", "GT", "wrath". It is actually a 7 yr great tribulation, with the last half containg greater trib or wrath. I don't center much on that rabbit trail. 7 Years of great tribulation kicked off by the 4 horsemen.

Vs 14 is not about them. The 144k are in heaven before vs 14's gathering

We both believe he comes back after the trib. Your error is trying to FORCE " like manner " into a warrior king accompanied by millions of saints, with millions of horses blackening the sky , slaughtering the army of satan,Satan,. Now let's look at the Bible without the "one coming" blinders...

None pf us Gentiles are from Jewish tribes. The 144k are vividly depicted as ethnic Jews. Again romans 9-11 tells us God's future plan to bring back the covenant Jews. Actually impossible to miss

In acts 1,The angels told the disciples that He would return in the same manner. ( that would be no horses, no sickle, or anyone with Him) ( it also is the setting of commerce and normal life) Everything present in a postrib rapture make Acts one " like manner" a total lie.

Without the understanding of the illustration of the ot, Rev can not be understood. For example, Rev 5 can not be understood without Ruth. " the kinsman redeemer" Jesus the God man.

Quote: "He is coming on a cloud right?" Yes.the pretrib rapture is vividly depicted in Acts ch 1. " He ascended into the clouds and the angels declared the would return in the exact same setting.." There is not a single postrib rapture teaching, that can unpack the setting of every rapture...

The 144,000 Jewish believers are Before the Throne in Revelation 14. they have been gathered to heaven. They are first fruits unto God that vividly portrays them as being first fruits of the main Harvest . "first fruits" is directly connected to harvest it is the first part of the Harvest...

Are you saying earth's entire population is killed at the white horses coming?

So you are saying there is one coming and that is the rapture?

Rev14 is the gathering of the Jews. Vividly portrayed. 144k firstfruits are in heaven first in ch 14 Main harvest always follows firstfruits Vs 14 is the main harvest Jews. Note that Jesus is not on any horse in Rev 14:14 . Also, in rev 14:14 gathering, he is not the groom gathering the...

You just proved both removed pretrib Thanks!!!!

...the exact message of JTB.

The dead in Christ rise BEFORE the 2 gatherings of Rev 14. ( 1 thes 4 is turned into a lie with the postribber doctrine) Rev 14 destroys every position except the pretrib rapture doctrine

Might be the wisest move. He is just plain too nasty to converse with.

It is taught in the Bible. It is solid doctrine. What you are doing is called "condemnation prior to investigation"

Rev 14 has a gathering BEFORE where you place the rapture. So, in your DOCTRINE you have the dead in christ rising AFTER the living of 1 thesalonians 4 IOW your doctrine according to God's Holy Word , is litterally impossible.