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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Nope Does not Meet the criteria of a parable Not only that, we see Jesus went down into the Earth and preached to the patriarchs. A parable does not use names, because it is a story within a story.
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    Here: "Amen! And yet the Living Word has foretold told us: Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped...
  3. rebuilder 454

    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    I hope ALL OF YOU know that the postrib rapture doctrine has a foundation. It is "only one coming" Rev 14:14 makes that entire premise A LIE. ( and many more verses) beating a dead horse with zero verses. Postrib rapture doctrine is so poorly thought out. Why do they cling to error? It is 2...
  4. rebuilder 454

    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    The chirch The Church can not be on earth at the 7th trump. Impossible. The gathering of Jews is before the 7th trump. IOW ...DURING THE TRIB. your doctrine has the dead in Christ NOT RISING FIRST. Due to Jesus comes in Rev 14:14, DURING THE TRIB. most postribs are completely blinded to that.
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    That is mat 24 Every position believes that. But it is not, nor can be , the rapture. if you read it carefully, after the tribulation, angels gather...not Jesus, He rides a horse, and is not the groom gathering the bride. There are no horses in ANY RAPTURE verses. Plus that gathering is IN...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    The 144 k are ethnic Jews. Vividly depicted. Rev7 4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. 5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    Lol Jesus on a cloud Jesus on a horse Jesus gathers the bride in virgin parable ( those 3 DISTINCT AND VIVID GATHERINGS ARE CORRUPTED BY YOUR TEACHERS) Jesus comes after the tribulation in mat 24 Jesus comes BEFORE THE FLOOD in mat 24 Jesus comes BEFORE SODOM DESTROYED (All rapture verses are...
  8. rebuilder 454

    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    He is in power at the first seal. He is revealed way before the seals. Obama is a good example. Revealed way before he was in power.
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    Only the dead in christ are raised and raptured at the pretrib rapture. Your verses are the dead raised after the millennium...and that resurrection is unto judgement. I am seeing a lot of this. A total misunderstanding of what the rapture is. It is the gathering of the bride.
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    They are jews. Ethnic jews. They are harvested after the 144k firstfruit Jews. Verse 14 is the Jewish main harvest . They follow the firstfruits jews who are gathered to heaven (earlier, around verse 4 or so.) The coming you are looking at is way, way different. That one is on horses with...
  11. rebuilder 454

    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    Sorry. You are determined to omit verses. Only pretrib rapture allows for rev 14:14, mat 24 ( 2 gatherings),and mat 25 the 10 virgin parable No other position incorporates the pretrib rapture verses
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    Rev14:14 kinda ruins that entire premise
  13. rebuilder 454

    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    What about the gathering during the trib in rev14: 14?
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    Trump ~ guilty

    True Every word
  15. rebuilder 454

    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    The AC is "revealed" pretrib. The falling away is also pretrib, pre rapture. He takes power after the pretrib rapture, but is revealed pretrib. Only Christians know who he is at his advent. ( revealed by discernment to Christians...not in power)
  16. rebuilder 454

    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    That is pointing to Rev 19. The pretrib raptured saints in heaven during the trib.
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    The AC is revealed pretrib. You placed the rapture pretrib. When is the Rapture? At the white horses. Jesus gathers Jewish main harvest, during the trib. . Maybe you are "one coming", in opposition of the other comings in the Bible?
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    JESUS said in mat 24"before the flood, one taken, one left." Here it is. ( it makes zero difference to you) Matt 24 38 For as in the days before the flood, they did [ac]eat and drink, marry, and give in marriage, unto the day that Noah entered into the Ark, 39 And knew nothing, till the flood...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    As if the words of those 2 chapters would change your error. But to not know what those comings of Jesus are, And His declaring we are to watch pre trib for His coming is on you. You really did not know of 2 comings in Matt 24? Or a coming of Jesus in Rev 14 during the trib?
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    Trump ~ guilty

    Compare America with N Korea, China, Cuba. Your electric company is into way worse than you can pin on trump. Shut off your electric to be consistent. What about the roads you drive on? What about your car? Devil men made your car and all public transportation. Only option is to walk and swim...