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  1. rebuilder 454

    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    Reread mat 24...maybe slowly Then stop denying the Holy Bible
  2. rebuilder 454

    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    Pretrib rapture Yes. I also adhere to the pretrib rapture. You just declared the AC is REVEALED (not yet in power) at the pretrib rapture. Thank you for affirming the pretrib rapture. No brainer since all rapture verses are pretrib setting. I agree there is not a single postrib rapture verse.
  3. rebuilder 454

    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    Nope. Bible is correct. You are wrong
  4. rebuilder 454

    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    Mat 24 says different. Again...that magnificently debunks any hope of one coming. A bonus is Rev 14. You have no standing.
  5. rebuilder 454

    Trump ~ guilty

    An interesting dynamic that would put things into perspective, would be to get a few South Koreans in here, and convince them it doesn't matter if you have a free country with an American type Constitution or if you just have full-blown communism. They know what it's like to be under communist...
  6. rebuilder 454

    Trump ~ guilty

    I can support trump and vote for him, and at the same time be 100% love and devotion to Jesus. No foul. No bogey man. BTW..America is one election away from full blown communism. Pssssst....we are not in the millineum. Evil men and devil men will take your freedom. If America falls, the free...
  7. rebuilder 454

    Trump ~ guilty

    Fighting Muslims. Devils
  8. rebuilder 454

    Trump ~ guilty

    No We have life here. We want good things for our families. We INTERCEDE for our great nation and leaders. That is God's will I can do all that AND put ALL my hope and affection in Jesus. It is not Either <> Or.
  9. rebuilder 454

    Trump ~ guilty

    Is this a dream land???? People hoping trump goes to jail and America falls??????
  10. rebuilder 454

    Trump ~ guilty

    If you get granted a communist US ofA, you will be jailed, and 99% of all God given rights will vanish. You have no idea what you are hoping for. Ahem, no more evangelism.
  11. rebuilder 454

    Trump ~ guilty

    Hard to believe you are that deceived. You are playing devils advocate , correct?
  12. rebuilder 454

    Trump ~ guilty

    If it were Your side , instead of Trump, half of America would be burned by insane democrat rioters, and every democrat would applaud their own cities destroyed
  13. rebuilder 454

    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    Part of the problem is that they do not understand harvest. Nor do they understand paradise, or why those patriarchs were held adjacent to hell. Add that up, and we have the bizarre misunderstanding of dead in Christ raised, and misunderstanding of firstfruits (Jesus, and the patriarchs). They...
  14. rebuilder 454

    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    There are 2 gatherings in mat 24. 3 gatherings in Rev 14, during the trib. All before the 2nd coming on horses.( except your lone PARTIAL gathering of mat 24 'after the tribulation.') Pretrb rapture fits. Nothing else does.
  15. rebuilder 454

    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    Mat 24. " before the flood" Noah gathered One taken/left Peacetime, commerce, normal life Watch and be ready before the flood. Lot gathered before the judgement. All rapture verses are peacetime, commerce, normal life. Your deal has the opposite setting and actually denies Jesus's words of the...
  16. rebuilder 454

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    In the story of the rich man and Lazarus we can see that both men died and immediately one went to Paradise and one went to hell. They could see each other. So Paradise was adjacent to hell and it's where all the Patriarchs went when they died. They all went to Paradise. It was not heaven where...
  17. rebuilder 454

    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    Noah was gathered BEFORE the flood Mat 24 " before the flood....." 1) Noah gathered 2) one taken/one left 3) watch and be ready. 4) watch and be ready in setting of commerce, peacetime, and normal life. In fact all rapture verses, are peacetime, and commerce. Lot was gathered pre judgement as...
  18. rebuilder 454

    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    Jesus is the firstfruits of the first resurrection. Main harvest follows firstfruits. ( the rapture) The innumerable number in heaven are part of the first resurrection.
  19. rebuilder 454

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    You ask questions that you already have answers for. None of my answers are "correct" Yours "are" That IS your position. Waste of time
  20. rebuilder 454

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Rev22 8 And I am John, which saw and heard these things: and when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the Angel which showed me these things. 9 But he said unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellow servant, and of thy brethren the Prophets, and of them which...