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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    The Bible says paradise was adjacent to hell , under the earth. Jesus went there when he died. The patriarchs were held there when they died. The Bible says Jesus preached the gospel to them and they accepted it and they were raised from the dead and they went to heaven with Jesus basically we...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Jn 20 29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. Does not say anything about hearing or not hearing.
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    You have no idea what you are talking about.
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    Amil dilemma. You just stumbled upon it In the rapture ONLY the dead in christ are raised.
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    Romans 11, says different that your belief. You are way off.
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    Nope. They are firstfruit ethnic Jews
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    I am pretrib and debate anyone that is honest. I can defend that doctrine easily. In fact it is one of the easiest to defend. Most postribbers carry in tons of extra biblical material. Hmmmmm. All I need is my bible
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    I can give you several. BTW..I have challenged postribbers to post a verse pointing to a postrib rapture. NOBODY HAS EVER FOUND ONE.
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    BTW Muslims, with no bible or bible verses,and no evangelists are getting saved!!!! Jesus is appearing to them in dreams and visions . Meanwhile Christians here think salvation is verses and a bible. They NEVER hear Gods voice.. Poor poor Americans and their abstract Jesus. What is going on???????
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    From Websters FAITH Synonyms & Similar Words confidence trust certainty credence conviction assurance acceptance stock hope certitude positiveness reliance surety assuredness sureness credit dependence dependance
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    The reason all men sin is because they do not trust the scriptures. " walk in the spirit and YOU WILL NOT FULFILL THE LUST OF THE FLESH" YET THEY DO. What a dilemma. You confess you do not walk in the spirit, (never hear God) and yet you would need to trust the bible,telling you to walk in the...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    That's like going to the mechanic, and he is forbidden to speak because everything concerning your car is in the shop manual. He can only hand you the book. Huh?????? Salvation is a person, not a book. AHEM..that PERSON TALKS. His name is Jesus. Jesus said, "my sheep HEAR MY VOICE"
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Whatever you do. don't read revelation, as your methods would be confusing and void the entire vision. John was told not to write what the 7 spirits uttered. It remains a mystery. But will be revealed ,OUTSIDE OF ANYONE'S BIBLE, in due time...as the WORD OF GOD declares. All the apostles were...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    How can you walk up to the barn, shoot at it with the shotgun from 2 ft away .....AND MISS??????
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Then what are all those people doing in heaven in the book of Revelation? From the martyrs to the one John tried to worship, which was outside the vision. That MAN in heaven, even declared who he was. Not only that, but the thief on the cross was told that he would be with Jesus in spirit in...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    I give you an "f" in comprehension. " pretending" by being in QUOTE, would point to "not literally". Show me where I said pretending, as you are erroneously implying. But I actually knew you would do just that, as you are now just trolling the subject. But yes FAITH WOULD BE LIKE "PRETENDING"...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    No, what they said is actually a no brainer You will NEVER find faith exercised without trust Nope. Faith is basically "pretending" like the word of God is true. (acting on what He says,whether it conflicts with my mind or not) (AHEM,TRUSTING HIM) Not enough. Faith must be applied. The devil...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    The word says that peter walked on water, until he looked around. eyesight (understanding) caused him to fail. I have already shown you that faith is Blind. Peter VIVIDY demonstrated that to you. I can post unlimited verses challenging your idea that faith and trust are not Basically the...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    you saying God never talks to you?
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    There are 2 tribulation periods, the “first” is to the Jews

    All rapture verses are normal life, Peacetime. And commerce Your template has the rapture in a completely different format. Pretrib rapture is lot ,Noah, the 5 wise virgins. The historic baby Jesus , and 1 thes 4. Not to mention the 2 escape verses. Pretrib rapture is easy to defend. Ask...