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    (The Beast) & (The Two Witnesses) Will Be On This Earth Together For 3.5 Years (Then Cometh The End)

    <earth will be cleansed> IMO: "Earth" is Greek γη = "land." There was no concept of plant earth in Biblical times. After the Millennium this entire universe will be discarded and replaced, as you say (Revelation chapters 21.22).
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    Rapture Thoughts of Some Early Church Leaders

    I can show you three comings of Christ, two future: 1. Matthew 1:20 the child 2. Revelation 14:16. the reaper 3. Revelation 19:11 the lion of Judah "Jesus" is a Latin/English rendering of Hebrew ישוע (Yeshuya) = "savior." Pre-great-tribulation rapture is Jesus descended to a...
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    Rapture Thoughts of Some Early Church Leaders

    IMO: o. Seventh trumpet is the *last* of the seven trumpets to sound. o. Jesus reaps at the *last* trumpet (1Corinthians 25:51-52). o. Great tribulation (bowl judgments) occur *after* the trumpet judgments. o. Revelation 14:17-20 is the call for the great tribulation to begin. This sequence is...
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    (The Beast) & (The Two Witnesses) Will Be On This Earth Together For 3.5 Years (Then Cometh The End)

    o. Jesus returns and removes believers from the land (Revelation 14:14). o. Jerusalem is secured (Revelation 14:17). o. Middle East is attacked . (Revelation 16:1-21). o. Babylon is attacked (Revelation 18:1-24) o. Jesus comes with his mighty angels (Revelation 19:12-21) o. Millennial...
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    Rapture Thoughts of Some Early Church Leaders

    "Church" is an English rendering of Greek εκκλασια (ekklasia) where: εκ= from, out κλασια = a group I.e. those chosen from a group.
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    Rapture Thoughts of Some Early Church Leaders

    Then I invite you to demonstrate that from the Bible.
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    Rapture Thoughts of Some Early Church Leaders

    o. The command for Jesus to reap is given (Revelation 14:15). o Jesus reaps (Revelation 14:16). o. The Bible says the catch up is "at the last trump" (1Thessalonians 4:16). o. There are seven trumpets (Revelation ). o. Hence the rapture is at the seventh (last) trumpet.
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    Rapture Thoughts of Some Early Church Leaders

    WPM noted: <This demolishes your whole thesis> That is your opinion, to which you are surely entitled. However the Bible says: "For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven...meet the Lord in the air." (1Corinthians 4:17) It gives information about the timing. The rapture is depicted in...
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    Rapture Thoughts of Some Early Church Leaders

    BTW the pre-tribulation rapture is depicted in Revelation 14:14-16 and 1Thessalonians 4:16. It's in the Book.
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    Rapture Thoughts of Some Early Church Leaders

    WPM noted: <Daniel 9 makes no mentions of a church> Not surprising, since: 1). "Church" is an English word, and the Book of Daniel is written in Hebrew 2) There was no church in Daniel's day. Inclusion of gentiles into the faith/church occurred in Acts chapter 2.
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    Rapture Thoughts of Some Early Church Leaders

    Daniel 9:24 says שבעים שבעים. שבעים = sevens שבעים = sevens x10. That is 77 sevens Similarly English 77 = seven + seven x10
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    Rapture Thoughts of Some Early Church Leaders

    WPM noted: <you invent a definition of covenant> Covenant: "A mutual agreement between two or more persons" (Oxford English Dictionary) <Did God get Adam's agreement> Adam was given a place to live, with conditions, and he accepted it. When he knowingly broke the rules he was banished from the...
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    Rapture Thoughts of Some Early Church Leaders

    The covenant can be broken by *mutual* conscent.
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    Rapture Thoughts of Some Early Church Leaders

    WPM noted: <Covenant> A covenant is "a mutual agreement between two persons" (Oxford Dictionary) <Did God get Adam's agreement> God created the garden, and it was offered to Adam on the condition that Adam not eat the fruit from the tree of knowledge. Adam agreed, or the garden would not have...
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    Rapture Thoughts of Some Early Church Leaders

    IMO: o. The old covenant was established by God (Genesis 6:18). o. At a later time a new covenant was offered (Jeremiah 31:31). A covenant by definition cannot be broken by either party, but it CAN be recinded by *mutual* conscient. Jesus suffered a horrible, painful, disgraceful death and God...
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    Rapture Thoughts of Some Early Church Leaders

    It's arithmatic. I documented the 69 sevens. That leaves one seven, at a time future to today.
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    Rapture Thoughts of Some Early Church Leaders

    WPM noted: <I knew that> Of course you did. For the others here: o "Seven" (Dan 9:25) is seven 360-day years. o "Decree to rebuild temple" was by order of King Cyrus (see Ezra 1:2). o The date of this decree was March 5, 444 B.C. o The building was supervised by Nehemiah. o "Coming ruler"...
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    Rapture Thoughts of Some Early Church Leaders

    1. Daniel is a member of the church, he deserves it more than I do. 2. Revelation 14:14-16 Jesus descends to a cloud (rapture). 3. Matthew 24:21: "then there will be a great tribulation." 4. Revelation 19:11-21 Jesus returns with his mighty angels. 5. Revelation 21-22 (new heavens and earth)...
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    Rapture Thoughts of Some Early Church Leaders

    "Chronological" stems from Greek: χρονος = time λογoς= reckoning I.e. according to time. IMO the Bible is not strictly chronolological. It may make reference to past/future events as the narrative progresses, certainly a common literary device. As I mentioned, they are Christian martyrs. A...
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    Rapture Thoughts of Some Early Church Leaders

    WPM asked: <Where does it say the tribulation is seven years?> Daniel 9:27. Midpoint is great tribulation.