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This is a letter not to everyone but to the Christians in Rome… and to us Christians by extension. With this “everyone,” Behold, Paul is just talking about Christians, not “every human being.” In Romans 12 ~ like 1 Corinthians 12 ~ he is talking about gifts of the Spirit, of which saving faith...

We do not make our own faith. The definition of faith is given to us in Hebrews 11:1. By definition, it is not something we can give ourselves or manufacture within ourselves through works. Good works are the outward evidence that we have this saving faith. Grace and peace to you.

Right. Cool. Grace and peace.

No. Good. Ah, His… comings… Hmmm… <smile> Grace and peace to you.

This time God will burn everything up, though, right? <smile> Grace and peace to you.

You said, "mass, global destruction." Not my words... yours. Maybe you should have defined "mass, global destruction." Whatever. No need. Grace and peace.

Not really... I just commented. It did seem to be what you were insinuating, though. I mean, you did say (quoting), "But, 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 and 2 Peter 3:10-12 describe mass, global destruction occurring when the day of the Lord arrives unexpectedly..." But my comment was not directed at...

Regarding both 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 and 2 Peter 3:10-12, destruction or annihilation of the earth or any of creation is taught in neither passage, nor is creation of a new earth/universe. There has been ~ and of course will always be, until the actual event ~ much debate on this, but what is...

I agree, but that still does not necessarily mean that (in order) Jesus's return and final defeat of Satan, the final Judgment and sending away of unbelievers into that judgment, and the consummation of God's Kingdom and the beginning of the New Heaven and New Earth will take place over the...

We, William, we are that temple. We are also called a city, the City of God. And God is building it now. See what Paul says in Ephesians 2:19-22... "So then (Gentiles) are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God...

In your opinion. Yes, I get that. I think you're... overthinking things, claninja. And maybe missing what Paul is saying to us, by extension. Okay, well, maybe you should look into it. In the bigger picture... <smile> ...the Christians in Thessalonica were enduring much persecution of...

Now... what was that that... well, somebody... <smile> ...was saying about pointless discussions/quarrels...?

Yes, I understand, but why do you not think it possible that some had just told them it had already happened and they were just confused and/or distressed? Okay. I understand. <smile> I think, claninja, you're over-thinking all of this. As I said above, the chief concern of the...

Okay, fine. <smile> As Christians, claninja, they believed in Jesus and that He was going to return... or that he already had returned and they had missed it, which some had apparently been telling them and they were concerned that it was true. RIght, which is what I said. Great! We agree...

No, a true Jew of God’s Israel is anyone, regardless of ethnicity, who has been born again of the Spirit. Paul’s use of the word translated to the English ‘merely’ is in reference to Jewish ethnicity and specifically indicates that just because… merely because one is Jewish outwardly does not...

Well, yes, actually, so who is really a Jew of God, Marilyn? Paul tells us: “For no one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly, nor is circumcision outward and physical. But a Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter. His praise is not...

I would say most every conversation that happens in this and some other forums is pointless. And, the one going on between you and claninja in another current thread is yet another prime example of that... <smile> Grace and peace to you, SI.

Right. As I said several posts ago. Um... okay. <smile> Grace and peace to you.

Okay, but it's all speculation, which was my point... part of it anyway. Okay, but we cannot know their "assumptions." Therefore... <smile> ...continuing to go back and forth about it is... well, frivolous, really. Grace and peace to you.

No, I do, but why they were concerned about that is the question. Your whole "global catastrophe" notion is... misconceived, I guess... really non sequitur. Many, if not all, in the Thessalonian church had accepted the strange claim that "the day of the Lord has come." For what reason we do...