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  1. PinSeeker

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    All you’re doing is showing your own ignorance. The question, then, is whether that’s willful or not, but that matters not in the end… I agree, but that’s not my belief at all. Now, if you can present to me anything I have said I do believe and then present an unavoidable implication that is...
  2. PinSeeker

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Right, so I have never said... and will never say... that you believe this or that if you haven't explicitly said you believe that thing. You, on the other hand... <chuckles> But yes, I know and I am absolutely sure that you don't take away from or diminish God's glory, that never would you do...
  3. PinSeeker

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Nope. It is what it is. Strawman argument: a logical fallacy in which someone misrepresents an opponent’s position to make it easier to attack. I'm not misrepresenting your position(s), and never have; I have acknowledged it every time; it is what it is... they are what they are. All I...
  4. PinSeeker

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    No, of course not, but the effect of what you Arminians say is to diminish God's glory, or to divide the glory in some proportion between God and man. Certainly not the intention; never would you actually intend or purposefully do that... And it cannot really be done; no one and no thing can...
  5. PinSeeker

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    I'm not; I'm only... "acting like" (because I did) ...I was the one to suggest it many times in this thread, to no avail. And now you're suggesting it as if I never did, which is... well, kinda funny... Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight... Same to you. Although in...
  6. PinSeeker

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Then why didn't you do that long ago? I mean I have suggested it many times... <chuckles> But alas... And I'm sure there will be no change... <sigh> How long, oh Lord? <chuckles> This is the first time you've said that. Yeah, that would be great. I mean yes, I would rather us come to...
  7. PinSeeker

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Of course. I accepted long ago accepted your disagreement... thus my repeated entreaties to agree to disagree. But you just can't do that... <chuckles> I know. <smile> Yes. Yes you were. <chuckles> Whether the receiver catches it or not is irrelevant as long as it is not fumbled... it's...
  8. PinSeeker

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    @Spiritual Israelite Hey I just got back from my daily run and thought I’d explain in little more detail my football analogy. Or parable… <smile> Yeah, so… <smile> …God is obviously the: Coach Who puts you in (and keeps you in) the game Kicker/Punter Who kicks you the ball Quarterback Who...
  9. PinSeeker

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    You actually "misrepresent" yourself, really, SI. I mean that's the very problem, and don't even realize it. In addition to making at least some of God's words into the opposite of what they are. But that... at least the things I pointed out... you can't possibly not realize. But whether you...
  10. PinSeeker

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest..." ~ "The Boxer," Simon and Garfunkel, 1968 <chuckles> Grace and peace to you both.
  11. PinSeeker

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    <chuckles> Yeah, let's hear 'em, Ironhead. <smile> Great! Me, too. So... how did they get there? How did the Word, inerrant and infallible as It is, get in your heart? <smile> Who softened your heart so that you would receive it (with meekness, as James [1:21] says)? And you might...
  12. PinSeeker

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Rrrrrrrrrrrrriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight................ <smile> Right back atcha. I mean yeah, practice what you preach... Grace and peace to you, David.
  13. PinSeeker

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    The apostles, yes, but that's beside the point. In post 548: I'm not sure why you said "that does not mean..." and following, as that was sort of a non sequitur... I mean yeah, baptism of the Holy Spirit was not something different then than it is still today, but no matter. You agreed. And...
  14. PinSeeker

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Continued from above (2 of 2)... Ohhhhh... don't cut off the very next verse! <smile> Yeah, so... verbatim... "to all who did receive Him, who believed in His name, He gave the right to become children of God, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man...
  15. PinSeeker

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Okay, cool. It wasn't. No matter. Still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest... Nope. You agreed with me regarding what happened at Pentecost being a unique, once-for-all event in salvation history that inaugurated the New Covenant church. So corporate in that respect...
  16. PinSeeker

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Continued from above (2 of 2)... Now this is absolutely true. Not just "involves"... <chuckles> No one anywhere in the Bible ~ Moses, or Ezekiel, or Paul, or Peter... or Jesus... ~ ever indicates in any way that this happens as a result of repentance and/or belief and/or faith. Whenever this...
  17. PinSeeker

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    LOL! Once, in all the... "conversations" we've had, which are many. And as I said then, it was not due to what you had said, the reasoning that you gave. And surely you know that, and so you know the accusation you make here is false, which means, necessarily, that this is an outright lie...
  18. PinSeeker

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    We disagree, of course… what a surprise, right? <smile> What you say is fair enough, but what I would say, particularly about Acts 1:5 is, Pentecost was a unique, once-for-all event in salvation history that inaugurated the New Covenant church. The baptism Jesus is talking about in Acts 1:5 is...
  19. PinSeeker

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    So you think. Yeah, that's cool. Strange how I quoted some of Jesus's exact words and you still deny them, but okay. Hmmm, well at least here you're talking about baptism by the Holy Spirit happening to individuals, so yeah, I like that. But I would turn that around and say that those who...
  20. PinSeeker

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    In a certain sense, yes. But Eve as not the primary person at fault and held accountable by God. But yes, all of creation became fallen (full of sin and subject to death) and in need of redemption. <chuckles> <sigh> I mean, what you say here raises several questions in my mind. I don't...