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Right, and I used your own words to disprove your own assertion. Right; not necessary, since, for the most part, the three of us are making virtually the same points. Right; see above. And regarding the very same thing he was saying in that particular instance, you have accused me of the very...

Ethnic Jews are not necessarily true Jews of God. Not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel. That's 'prophesied.' We disagree. The land that we will inherit is the earth, as Jesus said in Matthew 5. There are still 'some to come,' so to speak, yes. In these end times, as you...

Right, God's household, and true Jews of God, as I said. Grace and peace to you.

Well, rIght, but it was never about ethnicity. God's Jews, His Israel, consists of people of very tongue, tribe, and nation. As Paul says in Romans 2:28-29, "no one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly, nor is circumcision outward and physical... a Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a...

Just a sampling of Spiritual Israelite posts in this thread: “I can't make any sense of what you're saying here. This comes across as doublespeak.” “this is what you resort to every time I refute something you say since you're never completely clear in what you're saying.” “I have to guess in...

Because you keep saying you "don't understand" my points, even though I have been very thorough in explaining in many different ways, and you continue to clarify ~ wrongly ~ my positions in view of the many different passages of Scripture I have cited to support my positions many times over...

Like I said, the problem is not in what I have said, the problem is what you think my "overall beliefs" are and what you think Calvin taught/wrote about these particular things we've been discussing. I do not lie. If you think something someone says is untrue, SI, that someone is not...

I don't purposely tell untruths, Spiritual Israelite. Now, I could say what you say here is a lie, but I think you truly believe it, which just makes you, in this case, wrong. Either that or this is just another feeble effort to piss me off... <smile> Actually, 'wrong' is technically...

Nah, you're just avoiding it. Good. But you have denied, many times, that our good works are the result of our having been saved, our having been born again of the Spirit and thus of God. That people can't choose the Lord, for one... And that one countless times... Right, because the true...

Maybe it's you being... dense... <smile> Nah, I think it's you just being... obtuse, and purposely so. <smile> Sure. Is this some kind of refutation of what I said? I don't think so... Hmmmm... "Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven"...? You don't see the...

From above... An alcoholic very often will not recognize or acknowledge that he or she is an alcoholic... And in the case of being dead in sin, no. LOL! I don't even know how you get that out of what I said... but don't really care... <smile> But, well, par for the course, really...

Fair enough. It's not about me, SI. It's about you, and the sense in which you're saying some things. What I often intend is for you rethink some of your statements and assertions. But I can't make you do that... In one sense, it is absolutely possible. But in another, different sense, it...

Okay so I just looked back... <smile> Hmmmm, okay. Yeah that explains it, I guess. Well, so how do you reconcile that with, oh, the Lord's prayer, particularly "...Your kingdom come, Your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven," and "lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from...

Absolutely not. I mean, your opinions about and allegations against Calvinism are what they are, and you think they're true, but they are not true at all, but distortions of Calvinism and what he wrote and said. I'm not saying you're lying, but what you have said regarding these things is not...

So we've talked about this, Spiritual Israelite, so, while there may be something here or there that I might respond to, for now, only this: What you think are Calvinists beliefs. I mean that's the problem, as I have said several times to you. What you think are Calvinist beliefs ~ at least...

I mean, you're welcome to your opinion, so yeah, fair enough. But originally you said they were apostles, which, well, some of them would be, but they were not yet apostles. Anyway, yeah, I say that if they were disciples of Jesus Christ, then they were believers, just like you and me. Again...

Well, yes, before He chose them, they were unsaved. Sure. Ah, yes, Judas, for sure. Yes, I "rememer" him. <smile> Certainly, we can all be devils from time to time... That God used Judas to accomplish His purposes and His will does not mean that he was not saved. If you disagree, then I...

Even though Jesus ~ Who is God, of course ~ told them directly that they did not choose Him but He chose them... and thus called them... and appointed them that they should go and bear fruit and that their fruit should abide..." ~ language that Paul mirrors precisely in Ephesians 2 in speaking...

His disciples, which includes us. In John 10, to a group of Jews questioning Him, He says, "you do not believe because you are not among My sheep. My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out...

Hey. Spiritual Israelite. Answer me this, and the follow-up, if you will: Do you pray for the salvation of others? If yes, then... why? Grace and peace to you.