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What "deceiving the nations," as John presents it in Revelation 20, really doesn't have anything directly to do with one's view of God's millennium and its true timeframe, whatever one thinks it is. I would say, though, that if one understands correctly what "deceiving the nations" there is...

Well, if and when you do, I'll be the first to come alongside you. <smile> Grace and peace to you.

Yes, 'until.' You can read what I said to David regarding 'until,' Zao, in this post in a related thread. From the rest of what you say here, I'm going to pick out one thing: You will probably disagree with this, but, generally speaking, John's visions in Revelation are cyclical and...

You got nothing, here, Big Boy. Absolutely nothing. Except maybe just plain ignorance. Grace and peace to you.

Ugh. <wince> Sorry you have to endure all this, @Davidpt . Grace and peace to you.

Okay, good... Hey, before I get to the rest of this, I'll say again, directly to you, I really appreciate your thoughtfulness. Well, again, "until after the thousand years" is not quite right; the actual wording is "until the thousand years were ended." There is a difference. NOTE: this...

I have; it's a yearly practice of mine. My dare to you ~ to which your silence speaks volumes ~ still stands. Right, right, right, I mean we would all say that, presumably... <smile> But as you probably know ~ because it is God's Word, after all ~ the utterance of wisdom and the utterance of...

Yes, and when they keep trumpeting those false conceptions in the face of repeated, indisputable clarification(s), it becomes at some point impossible to really call it a false conception at all, but very intentional mischaracterization, which is a form of lying. But yes, amen to that, brother...

Fair enough. I think what I said was very clear. Well, in the sense of over the course of the entire thousand years, yes. But 'during' could be interpreted to mean all at once at some specific time in the thousand years, or anything in between. I fully recognize that you're using that term...

Read John Calvin's Institutes, Big Boy. I dare you. <GRIN> Grace and peace to you.

I didn't say "during," I said "through the course of"... and those are not necessarily the same thing... but that's not really the issue. I said that what is said there, "The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended" (English Standard Version) ~ and I would add...

Okay, fair enough. That the rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended can validly be understood in two different ways, as I said above... and gave reason for. In addition, and in response to what you said here, clearly, at the end of verse 5, immediately after...

Right, so then the question is who you are referring to when you say "calvinist brethren," and from what you say, they are not Calvinists; they understand at least the parts of God's Word we have discussed very contrary to how John Calvin (and thus true Calvinists) do. Ah so now you're saying...

Ah, that would be you, Big Boy. David and I know very well what you think Calvinism teaches... <smile>... as evidenced by the things you have said about it. But those thoughts and statements regarding what Calvinism teaches are quite wrong, as demonstrated by both of us. Grace and peace to you.

So this is interesting... Yes, there is much disagreement regarding who John is referring to in his vision in saying "the rest of the dead," and I'll get to that, but the first issue, it seems, is not who he is referring to, but the timeframe in which the rest of the dead who "come to life."...

I've said the same to both Big Boy and Grailhunter, David. But some people are so dug into their mindsets that they can't... break free, I guess you could say. That's called pride, and lack of humility, among other things. But of course I'm preaching to the choir, here... <smile> Yeah, it's...

As extensively evidenced in this thread, what you (and Big Boy) reckon these "false beliefs" to be is/are itself/themselves false. And what is unfortunate is, that is... not always, but most of the time... how these "discussions" go. Do not believe according to your opinion of what Calvin...

I disagree with that; I think David's posts are at least fairly thoughtful, as opposed to... well, several on here. Grace and peace to you.

This: ...is a direct contradiction of this: The two statements are not congruent at all, and in fact opposite each other. Yes, you absolutely did. <smile> Grace and peace to you.

No, it's not, David. It's talking about his ability to deceive the nations (obviously)... which means, David, deceiving people-groups, Gentile people-groups, not individuals. This was Jesus's commissioning of His disciples ~ and all of us, by extension ~ to "go therefore and make disciples of...