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A lot of good things, here, in my opinion, David. Here's what I see in Genesis 2 and 3: 1. The condition of man both before and after the fall... question: tell me, if you would, what you see concerning these two things? 2. I guess this is a leading question, but who does Adam represent, and...

LOL! You know, at this point, I'm just getting a kick out of keeping you going. <smile> Obviously, it bothers you, and you can't let it go; it's kind of funny at this point. <chuckles> To be honest, I really don't even remember asking a question. Oh, wait, now I remember... but I didn't...

<eyeroll> You did, but actions speak louder than words. The fact that you keep going on about it tells me otherwise. But, really, who cares? I agree. <smile> But that's... not what I was talking about. <smile> Good grief! <pounds the table; smile> <eyeroll> Again, perception is not...

You do a great job of... displaying, I guess... otherwise. <smile> Maybe you could prove that by, you know, just letting it go, by dropping it... <smile> I didn't say that. I said you made at least one or two Arminian-sounding statements. That's all. Dude, come on. Drop it. I did. Oh...

It's not. It was really a good-natured comment I made, SI. Yes, at least some of your soteriology is Arminian. It is. If that bothers you, I'm sorry, but it is what it is. But I did not call you an Arminian; that was your perception only... which you even say here ~ "I don't think so" ~...

I think the resolution to this whole... conundrum <smile> ...is that there are really two different senses of this tares vs. wheat argument; and that there is not really much disagreement here, I think, even though some so strenuously... <smile> ... disagree with each other: A. If we think of...

Ahhhhh, I see what you are saying, and at least in a sense I agree. Yes, in Matthew 25, in Jesus's graphic portrayal of the final Judgment, he has two exchanges, first with those on His right, and then with those on His left: Those on His right: They know they had a relationship with Christ...

Well, you're cutting in on an exchange between me and another poster; I wasn't talking to you at all there. Which, certainly, you can do what you want... as if you needed my approval... <chuckles> ...which you don't, of course... <smile> At any rate, I don't recall having actually "called you...

Might be interesting to hear you try to back that up with any modicum of actual substance, Dash, instead of making such a thoughtless, drive-by statement. <smile> Grace and peace to you.

Right... And there it is, making faith a work of man. All versions say the same thing... "assurance of..." "confidence in..." "substance of..." "things hoped for" and "evidence of..." "assurance of..." "conviction of..." "things not seen." Any of these, assurance, confidence, substance...

Innate to the heart-regenerate Christian. And again, that's because the heart has been changed from stone to flesh. By God. Which we will, when this faith is worked in our heart of flesh by God via His Holy Spirit... when we are assured and convicted... by God... by God's work in us. LOL...

...saving faith, yes, and that is because the heart has been changed from stone to flesh. Right, so, even if it's inadvertent, quit making faith out to be a work, because that's what you and all Arminians are guilty of. Grace and peace to you.

Ah, so Christians cause... or make... people believe in Christ? <smile> I mean, I know you're not really saying that, but faith does come by hearing, yes, just as Paul says in Romans 10:17. Right, because they are. LOL! No, but by saying what you're saying about faith and what it is and how...

Okay, well, so is your Arminianism. This is not what I have said; it is not a Calvinistic belief. At all. This is just one example of what I meant when I said your premises are erroneous; your supposed "fallacy" is itself fallacious <smile>. So you're not really "showing me" anything...

The Greek word "apostasia" means a defiance of an established system or authority. Divorce is quite different from that. This is an act of defiance, even rebellion. It's what Paul talks about in Romans 1, that unbelievers have "exchanged the truth for a lie" and "worship creation rather than...

He does not. He says, Behold, that every Christian has a measure of faith. Every Christian is give that by God, and thus every Christian has it. And not just "something"... Paul never says, Behold, exactly what faith is. But the writer of Hebrews ~ who had God's Word breathed into him just...

Every human develops some kind of faith in something (or somethings) for all kinds of reasons. But God does not give His assurance to every human. How very Arminian... <smile> I mean really... this was his first point: "Although human nature was seriously affected by the fall, man has not...

In a sense, Ronald, we agree. But there is another sense, the one in which, naturally speaking, we are all tares/goats from the beginning. We have all fallen short of the glory of God. Grace and peace to you.

I agree, but it has to be given you first. You don't assure yourself; such would be an empty assurance. The assurance has to come from outside of yourself, else you cannot use it, and thus you will not believe in that something. Yes, but if God has not given you His assurance of salvation...

Well, right. But what do you "use it" for, Behold? <smile> That really makes no sense. Because you have it, it certainly affects how you say and do things from then on, if that's what you mean. He doesn't. As I have said. Okay, well if He gives it, then He's going to see it at work in us...