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  1. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    So God is spirit and he has a spirit? :IDK: You cannot be born by a seed, you can only be begotten by a seed. 1 John 3:9 (ASV): (9) Whosoever is begotten of God doeth no sin, because his seed abideth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is begotten of God. In the Greek the same word is...
  2. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    First, show me that your opinion is inspired.
  3. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    I already explained that in post #266. There's no point repeating myself. (BTW, I think that should be verse 1, not 2.) In the original manuscripts it does not have "hath he quickened" in verse 1, it was added by the translators. More modern translations translate it as, for example: ISV...
  4. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    Why have you added the word 'spiritually'? I do not find the expression "dead/alive spiritually" in the bible. Our eternal future will consist of either eternal life or eternal death. Romans 6:23 (WEB): (23) For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ...
  5. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    That paasage does not teach that dead people in hell are actually alive but separated from God. It doesn't even say that God does not look at unsaved people/souls. In fact quite the reverse. To quote a more modern translation than the KJV, because it seems you might not have correctly...
  6. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    Okay, I admit it. I was a little younger when that photo in my avatar was taken. :)
  7. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    The Rich Man and Lazarus (part 3): The Rich Man in Torments Then we read that the Rich Man, in Hades, lifted up his eyes, being in torments, and he saw Abraham in the distance, and Lazarus in his bosom. So much were the Jewish leaders tormented by the change of conditions that they persecuted...
  8. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    The Rich Man and Lazarus (part 2): The Lazarus class also later included those Gentiles of humble heart who accepted Jesus, thus becoming Jews inwardly and participants in the Abrahamic promises. (Colossians 3:11; Galatians 3:28,29; Romans 2:28,29; 10:12) As an illustration of how these fed on...
  9. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    Here's an explanation that I got from the Internet 24 years ago. As I said, it's long so I'll have to split it into three posts: The Rich Man and Lazarus Luke 16:19-31 It is evident from the whole setting of this passage that it is a parable. Otherwise the logical lesson to be drawn from it...
  10. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    Ephesians 2:4-7 (WEB): (4) But God, being rich in mercy, for his great love with which he loved us, (5) even when we were dead through our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), (6) and raised us up with him, and made us to sit with him in the heavenly...
  11. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    I don't have complaints, I have disagreements with what you have written! I said that you had written things (plural) that I did not agree with. Since you told me to go and search the Scriptures to see if what you had written was correct, I'm tempted to say, search my posts to find out what I...
  12. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    Because you're the one that's writing things contradicting what I wrote and what I believe the Scriptures say. If you want to convince me (and others) that you are right then you need to show us the Biblical evidence. Just saying something without proof is useless and possibly deceiving. You...
  13. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    2 Timothy 3:16 (TLV): (16) All Scripture is inspired by God and useful for teaching, for reproof, for restoration, and for training in righteousness, Just because it is written in the present tense, to indicate it is a done deal, doesn't mean that it is literally referring to the present time...
  14. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    A lifeless body returns back to dust. Why would God bother to destroy something that is lifeless? How is that a punishment? Revelation 20:15 (WEB): (15) If anyone was not found written in the book of life, he was cast into the lake of fire. How do you get from the above verse that the...
  15. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    I find it confusing that you don't think that a person's thoughts perishing (dictionary meanings: to be destroyed, ruined, or wiped out; to pass from existence) doesn't mean loss of consciousness. Psalms 146:4 (WEB): (4) His spirit departs, and he returns to the earth. In that very day, his...
  16. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    It is a lake of fire and sulphur. Burning sulphur creates sulphur dioxide which is poisonus and will kill people. From Fire and Brimstone: SO2 as a Chemical Weapon in History: Sulfur dioxide (SO2), a colorless, nonflammable gas produced by the burning of materials that contain sulfur, poses a...
  17. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    Revelation is full of symbolism. A reminder, Revelation 1:1 (KJV): (1) The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: The revelation was told in signs...
  18. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    That is not in harmony with what Paul taught. 1 Corinthians 15:51 (WEB): (51) Behold, I tell you a mystery. We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, He describes those Christians that have died as being asleep, not awake in heaven. 1 Corinthians 15:17-18 (WEB): (17) If Christ has...
  19. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    That can't be "separation from God", because Psalms 139:7-8 (WEB): (7) Where could I go from your Spirit? Or where could I flee from your presence? (8) If I ascend up into heaven, you are there. If I make my bed in Sheol, behold, you are there! KJV: (8) If I ascend up into heaven, thou art...
  20. keithr

    SALVATION OF ANIMALS

    I am interested only in the truth. To bring this discussion back to the topic of this thread, that is why I don't believe that animals will be resurrected, let alone go to heaven, because there is no mention or hint of it in the Bible, and it doesn't fit in with God's plan as outlined in the...