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  1. Butch5

    Was Jesus taste of death fair to the eternally damned?

    There's no such thing as a non physical death.
  2. Butch5

    Was Jesus taste of death fair to the eternally damned?

    A figurative death isn't death. it's figure of speech. There is no non-physical death.
  3. Butch5

    How To Get To Heaven When You Die

    Here again, you're just making arbitrary statements. I could simply claim the opposite. I've shown you that your understanding of the passage is not possible, the Greek grammar doesn't allow it. Simply stating something doesn't make it so. Please be rational.
  4. Butch5

    How To Get To Heaven When You Die

    Spirit: "by analogy or figuratively a spirit" and "the rational soul" Soul: "(by implication) spirit" and "the rational and immortal soul" Same exact meanings. Jas_5:20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a...
  5. Butch5

    Was Jesus taste of death fair to the eternally damned?

    There is no such thing in Scripture as spiritual death, at least not pertaining to humans. The death that men die is a physical death, nothing else. Man is not a spirit thus he cannot die spiritually. Adam did not die spiritually. A look at both the Jewish and early Christian understanding of...
  6. Butch5

    How To Get To Heaven When You Die

    If you study the word soul, nephesh and psuche through the Scriptures you'll find that they are used of a physical being or of life it self. It's not some conscious out of body existence. Please look at the evidence.
  7. Butch5

    How To Get To Heaven When You Die

    Jesus is God in what sense?
  8. Butch5

    How To Get To Heaven When You Die

    No, they are all part of the same context and conversation. Chapters were added much later and do not denote a change of subject. It's all speaking about Christ going to Hades and speaking to the unsaved dead....proving he was alive in a different way after death. Your belief that there is no...
  9. Butch5

    Was Jesus taste of death fair to the eternally damned?

    What you've pointed out here is one of many problems with the Penal model of the atonement. You asked about sins being paid for. I'd ask where does Scripture ever say that sins can be paid for. The Scriptures say the wages of sin is death. All sin, all die.Even believers die. They get the wages...
  10. Butch5

    Unveiling The Deity Of Jesus!

    There is much confusion on the subject. I think a lot of it stems from the Anthanasian creed which view many Christians hod to. However, that view is opposed to the original teaching of the Trinity. It seems that many simply recourse to entertain any idea that goes against what they believe.
  11. Butch5

    How To Get To Heaven When You Die

    It only makes sense if you presuppose that it is possible that they could be there. It depends on one's beliefs. For instance, I understand paradise as the kingdom of God, thus the thief could not be there that day.
  12. Butch5

    How To Get To Heaven When You Die

    The problem is that too many come to the text with this idea that man can live when he is dead. This idea comes from outside of the Bible and is supported with poor exegesis of the text. There is nothing in the Scriptures that teaches that man can be alive when dead and there is nothing in the...
  13. Butch5

    How To Get To Heaven When You Die

    The Greek word means a garden. You have to wonder why the translators transliterated it rather than translating it. It seems to me that theological biases came into play here. I mean image if they translated the passage about the thief as Jesus saying. 'I tell you today you will be with me in a...
  14. Butch5

    How To Get To Heaven When You Die

    That wouldn't surprise me.
  15. Butch5

    How To Get To Heaven When You Die

    HI eqw1938, I don't think you're listening to me. I can address each of those passages above but I suspect you'll just disagree or post more. The point I am making is that the idea that man can somehow live after death is "NOT" taught in the Scriptures. You already believe that and bring it to...
  16. Butch5

    Unveiling The Deity Of Jesus!

    Well, since you don't know my doctrine I'm not sure how you can say what I hold to. However, I would submit that it is you, not me that holds the "Evangelical doctrine." There are several Evangelical churches that hold the same view of the Trinity as you do. I on the other hand hold a different...
  17. Butch5

    How To Get To Heaven When You Die

    ewq1938, on 01 Aug 2015 - 11:31 PM, said: Sure it matters, it's part of the context. One of the reasons His words are misunderstood is because they are not taken in context. No, there 's nothing in Scripture that says the saved dead are in Heaven. They are not alive and awake, their...
  18. Butch5

    How To Get To Heaven When You Die

    You realize that a fallacy is an error in the chain of logic? My opinion is not a logical argument, it's an opinion.
  19. Butch5

    Hell is for children

    It's not quite that simple. Translators translate the way they understand the Scriptures.
  20. Butch5

    Hell is for children

    Yeah , it's tartarus