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If you read that passage Jesus was talking about the Resurrection, not their current state.

The NIcene Creed says nothing about the time between death and the resurrection. You see, these debate stem from presuppositions that are brought to the text. That's why I try to establish things from the text. Gen 2 clearly explains the creation of man. If one wants to claim that there is some...

A. The believe as the unbeliever returns to the dust and the breath returns to God. B. Yes, there are several in Scripture. However, I assume you're referring to where God is. C. According to the Scriptures, no, believers don't go there. Jesus and Paul make that clear. 33 Little children...

Yeah, I know. What's your point? If you notice I said the "Scriptures" are crystal clear. The only reason I mentioned the Creed was because you asked where I stood on the Trinity.

I am a Nicene Trinitarian. I don't belong to any of those groups. I simply accept what the Scriptures say. The Scriptures are crystal clear on what a man is. The problem is that many don't want to believe that. He dies, his body returns to the dust and the breath returns to God. I've answered...

Ok, take the Heavenly Destiny doctrine. It says that believers go to Heaven when they die. That teaching is not taught anywhere in Scripture. The modern teaching of the Trinity, that there are three co equal beings in the Trinity. Jesus said the Father is greater than. I've spoken with many who...

Oz, It's not arrogance it's fact. Anyone can find the truth if they search for it. Regarding the doctrines, that aren't Christian, The Heavenly Destiny, one of the most universally held beliefs, isn't in Scripture. The modern understanding of the Trinity is a logical contradiction. The Ghost of...

I agree Oz. One of the reasons that I am so Skeptical is because I've was taught opposing doctrines from different churches from the same Scriptures. When I questioned pastors they just brushed the questions aside with statements like, "it's a mystery" etc. After years of deep study of the...

Yes, I'm aware of that. I'm just leery of people making unsubstantiated statements. Commentators and scholars do that all to often.

Yes, I'm well aware of how Greek word studies are done. However, Calssical Greek and Koine Greek can differ.

Come on Oz, I didn't say one way or the other, so I couldn't have given speculation. I said, we don't know. You talk a lot about logical fallacies and logical conversations and how we have to be logical to have a conversation. Yet here you're abandoning logic. How does anything these men have...

However, there were differences, changes in his body, through his resurrection from the dead. Schep’s language is that ‘there are mysterious elements in the appearance narratives’ (Schep 1976:92) and these include, (1) His appearing and disappearing at will, like that which happened when he...

Yes, I was using hyperbole. It's point out that not everything is fallacy. A fallacy is a flaw in reasoning. My saying you gave me speculation is not a fallacy. I would submit it's being demonstrated because you're not being logical. However, there were differences, changes in his body...

Oz, Why is it that every time someone disagrees with you it's a straw man fallacy or red herring? The Biblical evidence you gave showed that Jesus appeared in a locked room. Please show me where Scripture explains how He got into that locked room. It doesn't. Scripture is silent on how Jesus...

Nah, the nation of Israel isn't in a grave, doesn't have bones, flesh and breath. He's talking about people.The point of resurrection is that it is the same body that stands again. A different body is reincarnation not resurrection.

I didn't attempt to refute any evidence. What you gave me was speculation. Yes, Jesus appeared in a locked room. However, the Scriptures don't tell us how He Got there. It could have been that there were special properties to this resurrected body. It could also be that God miraculously put Him...

But how you see it doesn't change what it says. God explained it to Ezekiel. He said He would open their graves, bring them out, and put His breath in them and they would live. That is resurrection.

No, it doesn't. I believe the passages isn't translated correctly. Let me submit this. 14 For since we trust that Jesus died and arose, in the same manner God, through Jesus,28 shall also with Him together lead forth those who have fallen asleep.29 1 The hand of the LORD was upon me, and...

Well, firstly, it was the same body. Whether it had additional qualities or not doesn't take away from the fact that it was the same body. Secondly, what you've quoted here assumes that the events were due to Jesus' body. It's also just as possible that the Father was simply moving Jesus...

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