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I agree. That's why I said the modern or Anthanasian Creed understanding of the Trinity is illogical. However, I don't believe that the original teaching is. The original teaching on the Trinity agrees with Paul, 'to us there is one God the Father.' The original teaching is not, three are one or...

While I agree that what many today put forth as the Trinity is an illogical concept I don't think the original idea of the Trinity is illogical.

The Trinity isn't that hard to understand if people will stop trying to force illogical concepts on it.

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Then what are you guys arguing over?

What is that definition of the Trinity?

Paul said that no one has seen nor can see the Father. John said that the Son has made the Father known. Scripture says the Lord spoke face to face with Abraham, that had to be Jesus.

Hi Caffus, No worries, the Bible doesn't teach that God will torment people forever. Paul said the wages of sin is death, not eternal torment.

I think the reason they break down is because of Pride

18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us1 to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit, 19 by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, (1Pe 3:18-19 NKJ) The Greek words that are translated death...

The word is Kerusso and it's translated proclaim, preach, preached, and publish.

I'm talking about the Greek text, not translations. The Greek text requires that the proclamation was made after the resurrection. However, the passage isn't speaking of preaching the Gospel. It's talking about Jesus making a proclamation to the disobedient spirits. The proclamation is probably...

The grammar doesn't allow for that position. It requires that the proclamation was made after He resurrected.

Remember Paul told the Corinthians, 17 Now in giving these instructions I do not praise you, since you come together not for the better but for the worse. 18 For first of all, when you come together as a church, I hear that there are divisions among you, and in part I believe it. 19 For...

I understand that, but I don't think acting in like kind is going to do much good. There are those who are not going to be swayed, period. I have met them. People have their traditions and they simply aren't going to let them go. Honestly, at this point I think only God can correct it.

Jim, From what I've seen in your posts you're not really in a position to criticize people for a lack of love.

River Jordan, I already explained it. Observational science is science you can observe. I’m not sure why you keep presenting this crime scene scenario. If one can reproduce results in a lab that is observational science. How many degrees do I need in Electrical engineering to know that if...

River Jordan, I’ve already stated that observational science is valid. I didn’t claim to be an authority, however, I’m not stupid either. I’m not posting anti-science stuff. I’m posting against the religion of Evolution. It’s not rocket science to know that if no one was there no one knows...

Did you read what I posted. I said observational science is true and correct. If I take a fiber and test it for DNA and it comes back positive, I can go do it again. show me a rock forming over two million years. You're statement is fallacious. Even if it is true that doesn't mean tomorrow they...

I think you're missing an important point. Observational science is legitimate, If I go into a lab and perform an experiment under controlled conditions I expect to get the same results every time. Yes, I agree that is science and it is logical and true. However, origins science is not science...