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  1. Butch5

    The decline of Christianity in the West

    Have you looked at "Already Gone" a book by Ken Ham. He did research alone with the Barna group on why the church loses the young. The problem falls on us. Look at the church, so many different denominations and beliefs and then ask why are we losing them? As Christians we can't even agree on...
  2. Butch5

    Rapture.. Are You Ready??

    The Tribulation comes first. 29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 "Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then...
  3. Butch5

    Justin Martyr was a heretic

    Why do Christians do this? Whenever they can't make a case they try to turn the argument on the opponent. You made a claim, it wasn't so, just admit you misread what Justin said and move on, it's not a big deal. Ad hominems against me don't make your case. Scripture says that God resists the...
  4. Butch5

    Justin Martyr was a heretic

    How am I running out of things to say? It doesn't matter to me if you like Justin or not. The reason I posted in this thread was because from reading it it seemed to me that you were calling Justin a heretic based on your understanding of Scripture. It seems to me that that is in fact the case...
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    Justin Martyr was a heretic

    The Scriptures that Paul is referring to are the OT. John 14:26 was spoken to the Apostles. Notice the Holy Spirit will bring to their remembrance the things that Jesus had said to them. Concerning the early writers. No, we don't have available to us all that they had. They had oral tradition...
  6. Butch5

    Your thoughts on TEN verses

    I did. I believed it for years. Then I learned what the Scriptures teach on the subject. That's irrelevant. The passage shows that the Lord will take His Spirit from someone who does not follow Him.
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    Your thoughts on TEN verses

    There's nothing more to study, I've already done it. Really, Then how was John the baptist filled with the Holy Spirit from the womb? 15 "For he will be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink. He will also be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his...
  8. Butch5

    Your thoughts on TEN verses

    That doesn't answer the question. If you claim he can't then that needs to be proven or it's just opinion. However, we do have Scripture that says that the Spirit left the anointed king. 13 Then Samuel took the horn of oil and anointed him in the midst of his brothers; and the Spirit of the...
  9. Butch5

    Your thoughts on TEN verses

    Where does Scripture say the Holy Spirit will never leave someone?
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    Your thoughts on TEN verses

    As it appears to me in Scripture the one who follows Christ is in a relationship with Him. To answer your question, suppose you had a child and when he turned 15 he told you that when he reaches 30 he's going to turn to a life of crime. Would you put him in jail at age 15 or would wait until...
  11. Butch5

    Justin Martyr was a heretic

    That is where God remits one's sins, just ask Peter. You see, this was the point I was trying to make in the beginning. You disagree with Justin and deem him a heretic. Have you ever considered it may be you that is wrong and not Justin. You're trying to understand a book written 2000 years ago...
  12. Butch5

    Justin Martyr was a heretic

    He explains why it's called illumination. And this washing is called illumination, because they who learn these things are illuminated in their understandings Early Church Fathers - – Ante-Nicene Fathers: The Writings of the Fathers Down To A.D. 325. He's speaking of the things they learned...
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    Your thoughts on TEN verses

    It doesn't matter. What Paul says is, if there is no resurrection from the dead believers have perished. Whether someone believes or not if there is no resurrection from the dead the believers have perished. This is why I don't usually have this discussion anymore. Paul said, they grow cold...
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    Your thoughts on TEN verses

    Paul is addressing a group in the Corinthian church that was denying the resurrection. He states plainly, if the dead don't rise then they have perished. That means that there was still more after the cross. You're bringing up all of these passages, none of which say that salvation can't be...
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    Your thoughts on TEN verses

    He said, if there is no resurrection then those who have died have perished. If the cross was everything how is it that without the resurrection dead believers had perished? Regarding the link to Hebrews the author interprets the passage without consideration for the passages that Paul is...
  16. Butch5

    The Thousand years

    But that's not what the passage says Jim. The passage says He will establish David's throne. David's throne was not in Heaven, it was in Jerusalem. KJV Isaiah 9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and...
  17. Butch5

    The Thousand years

    How so if He doesn't sit in David's throne? The question was in reference to Christ reigning on the throne of David. I understood from your other post that you didn't believe there would be a 1000 year literal reign. I think everyone agrees that Christ will return, my point is how is the...
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    Your thoughts on TEN verses

    Firstly, I don't give any credibility to the "Got Questions" site. I have found so much error on that site that it's sad. Secondly, if you could point out where Hebrews is speaking of unbelieving Jews that would help If the cross is everything then why did Paul say that if there is no...
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    Your thoughts on TEN verses

    Actually, I don't. What you've described here is salvation, not whether or not it can lost. No, I'm just not assuming it's unconditional, especially when Scripture says it's not. Holy brethren who have been sanctified by the blood of the covenant are not unbelieving Jews. There are a couple of...
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    Justin Martyr was a heretic

    Zeke, No, I don't think illumination means anything spiritual. It was a custom in the early church for one to undergo certain education in things Christian prior to water baptism. Once the person had received this education they were baptized. I think that it is this Christian education that he...