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Rev 14 Your doctrine declares so recklessly the dead in christ gathered AFTER the living of rev 14. You have no basis at all for a postrib rapture

he does not know what we believe. That is part of this debate. They not only refute the bible, but think they know the pretrib doctrine. They don't.

It says the AC kills all refusing the mark. So, no, there will be no christians to get to the end of the GT. Rev 14 is the last boat leaving for heaven. And that is the ethnic Jews. Postrib rapture is impossible. Pretrib is the easiest to defend.

...and yet all but John died violent deaths by the hand of the devil. All that stay behind after the rapture will have to choose martyrdom or devil worship. Jesus gave us the formula. " pray that you may be counted WORTHY to escape the things about to come upon the earth..." No postribber...

We all go through tribulation. We all understand it. We are promised tribulation. The bible teaches Jesus coming for his saints before the flood, before sodom destroyed . We know he comes to earth after the flood also.( postrib) ( like in the story, noah came back from the sky to the earth for a...

It is said "your views on eschatology will affect your view on all of the Bible" and these threads on the 144k and the rapture prove exactly that. Everything's pointing toward the rapture. that's the next Super event that's coming from Heaven. the rapture of the church, then the tribulation...

I don't know what you think you are proving. I have yet to see any of you replacement adherents unpack rom 11. What do you do with the verses that DESTROY your assumptions????? Please do a study on covenant. Please cast off the replacement theology deception so you can cleanly look at the...

There it is. Omission once again. Sad

You almost have to be replacement theology. You and David nj

Nope Paul has the dead in Christ PRECEEDING the living harvest of rev 14. Only pretrib rapture fits.

Exactly. But lets assume they are symbolic to play out the charade. They are a small segment of a harvest ( firstfruits) They are gathered via rapture or martyrdom mid trib. They precede main harvest of Jews ( ooops cant say "Jews") So, if they are the church, the church is raptured mid trib and...

...and BTW, that goes without saying that the "one taken/left" would be at the white horses 2nd coming post wrath. IOW, you would have the one taken and one left as 50% of the Earth's population righteous and 50% of the Earth's population as heathen, or , basically Satan worshipers with the mark...

Be ready? You say the rapture us not untill every sign is completed, including the timing you misplace at the end of the wrath. Your very testimony prohibits you from being ready for a rapture. The only "ready" your doctrine suggests is for the antichrist to appear and chase postribbers from...

No worries It does not matter. Not even a little. My story is mine. You are free to believe it or not.

I had them cancel my account because they allowed members to mock and attack full gospel brothers and sisters. When i finally went to the mods , i was told to "man up" So i did what they were doing only to point out the hypocrisy. The Holy Spirit stopped me. " you are in the wrong spirit. You...

Again, you guys are arriving at your doctrine via omission. They are gathered last. No way around it.

Both is true. You are addressing one facet of the whole. Read romans 9-11

" every man, woman, and child , all take the mark..." In rev. Revelation 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: .

Jesus was hard on those with false doctrine. So was paul So was the prophets. If i am shown that the bible is against my beliefs then i MUST change over to truth. The prophets were hard on rebellion and spoke with authority. They came " from heaven to men" Lack of context, and twisting verses is...

QUOTE ; "#2 - Christ always said HE is Coming at the End of this Age and NEVER said HE would come before that." Just go ahead and cut rev 14 out of your bible Then change "before the flood" in mat 24 to "after the flood" Then pretend Jesus misspoke when the said concerning the one taken/left...