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Missler is one of the best teachers. He always says, " check things out for yourself, i am only provoking you to dig in the word for yourself". He is the one that i got the phrase "condemnation before investigation"

Romans 9 - 11 debunks what you are saying. Seems every dynamic you bring is a partial picture. Cherry pick to elevate doctrine. Then, when verses are put on the table that debunk your investment , you go 2 ways. 1) Shoot down the messenger 2) condemn it without investigation. It is as if rom 11...

I partially agree with this however I believe the Jewish Harvest is the grape or the Fruit Harvest that come in the summer

They are Jewish believers. Messianic Jews. they are part of the body of Christ. Obviously so. They are FIRSTFRUIT JEWS. They are FIRST. THEY PRECEDE main harvest of Jews. Read it. That is ALL it says. You are adding to it. Actually destroying what is written in a book that it is forbidden to do so.

yep only a literal ascribing fits. 144k is so specific and small compared to the entirety of the church. It is silly to spiritualize it, however, it proves that trying to make it some spiritual leap , tells even the densest of students, they are out of gas.

I'm just telling you what the Bible says if you want to believe all that other that you've inserted it's up to you

They are firstfruit Jews. That means main harvest Jews follow. The trib is "jacobs trouble/Israels trouble" If you leave out romans 11, the entire Jewish harvest is confused. You are looking at rom 11 harvest of Jews. (that is WHY they are EXPLICITLY called and depicted as ETHNIC Jews) 144k are...

This is what happens when you make the first part of the trib a doctrinal pivot. That is all you are doing.

If virgins, (undefiled/pure) with oil lamps, oil, light, flames, and in the company of real saints, equals sinners, then you are in fact changing God's word. You would then also have sinners waiting for Jesus. Your mind can not process that the 5 foolish virgins are saints. The bible VIVIDLY...

Oh, thanks for that 7 days thingy. Ark is a type of heaven so, you placed Noah in "heaven" pretrib. Thanks!

Does the "Holy Doctrine" include Jesus declaration of the pretrib rapture? Or should we reframe what is there into your insistence that only YOUR DOCTRINE is infallible? You are actually making a fool of yourself.

could be. The thing is, when it does happen, He is only coming for those with full lamps, and are watching for him. When it does happen , it will be too late to repent. Mat 25.. Half the virgins (blood bought saints) will be left behind to refuse the mark and be martyred. (you heard it here...

"before the flood" That is Jesus. You change it to "after the flood, Noah is taken". "Before sodom destroyed, Lot it taken out". That is Jesus words You change it to "after sodom destroyed Lot is taken out." Rev 19 the saints on white horses IN HEAVEN DURING THE TRIB. You change it to ...

yes. ethnic Jews. vividly portrayed as a literal group of earth's inhabitants. Then those same ethnic Jews in heaven, later on, as glorified believers worshipping at the throne of God. (rev 14). They are relatively small in number because they are designate "first fruits" (a small percentage of...

So we can overlook noah, lot, rev 19, rev 14, the last supper dialogue and the 2 escape verses? While we are at it we might as well ignore the fact that the Antichrist kills everyone that does not take the mark. Leaving your supposition of a postrib rapture with no one that is a Christian to rapture

Nope It is way too explicit to just make it symbolic. Ascribing symbolic to it kinda helps your doctrine maybe?

Those verses do not in any way void rom 11

Be specific. If you want to debate the seals, then fine. Just realize what is symbolic and what is not. Don't recklessly ascribe symbolism where it is obviously literal.

And yet you have the Rapture in first Thessalonians 4 occurring after the Gathering in Revelation 14 which cannot be and is impossible. You also cannot address the fact that lot is used by Jesus as a pre-tribulation gathering. You have painted yourself into a corner sir.

All pre-tribbers believe that Jesus returns after the tribulation