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Oh, my goodness. To read the any of the Bible's apocalyptic literature (in various places, Daniel, Ezekiel, Joel, Zechariah, and John's Revelation ~ and even a few quotes from Jesus in Matthew, Mark, and Luke, and from Peter) as one would a Dick and Jane first grade primer is not a good idea...

You mean as if I'm the only one who understands these things as I do? Because... :) Christ, as the second Person of the triune God, was not dead in sin as we are (or of course were, those of us who have been born again of the Spirit), Zao. If at any point he was, he would have sinned, and we...

Very good. Thank you. Why, David? Just because you're "Premil" and you just don't want to find it reasonable? :) Which I would agree with... Well, that would be the second. Along with everyone else (except for those who are still alive at the time of Christ's return). As Jesus said, "an...

You're welcome to think what you want to think. :) To you. :) Yes, I understand your line of thought. :) No need; we've been through it several times before. Rest assured that what you think of my assertions is returned in full. :) And I'll add, too, Zao, that your assertions about...

<eye roll> I've been very, very consistent with what I've said here and elsewhere, Davy. Well, sure, because indirectly, they are connected, which was my point. You disagree, obviously, and that's... okay. And... not future. :) Well, not future only... The millennium marches on as we speak...

Fair enough that you disagree, Zao; no issue with that from me, of course. But once a person is made alive in spirit by the Holy Spirit (if he or she is) and is then of God, no longer dead in his or her sin and a slave to unrighteousness but alive to God and thus a slave to righteousness, then...

LOL! 24k (Biblical) truth, Rebuilder. :) Yes, we are deemed worthy ~ declared righteous by God ~ because of Christ's worthiness and righteousness, which is imputed to us (credited to us, like Abraham) upon our salvation, which is, of course, of the LORD. This is His justification. And like...

Well, the bottom line is that you didn't "MOCK Lord Jesus Christ by teaching AGAINST what Jesus Himself said in His Olivet discourse." That's just a ridiculous assertion. You may have been mistaken concerning what Jesus said ~ and I'm not here making any comment about whether you were or were...

No, but you think I am; I understand that. I didn't say He was, Davy. You're taking me out of my own context, apparently. His direct implication there in Matthew 12 is that Satan has been bound, as evidenced by the fact that He was casting out demons, which, the Pharisees acknowledged. Here...

Right? Right??? :) Well, not future, no. :) But it's about the strong man's (Satan's) binding ~ which is during the God's millennium in the context of John's vision in Revelation 20 ~ and Christ's ability to rob his house, to "plunder his goods," as it were. Jesus tells the Pharisees...

LOL!!! Oh, wait... "do your job, and quit trying to play commander..." Is that a... a command??? LOL! :) Good Lord.... :) Bless your heart, as they say... :) Grace and peace to you, Davy.

You have every right to think what you want to think. :) Well, we kind of have to take other folks' word regarding 200 year old history. It was what it was, and is what it is. No... :) I mean, I hear what some of them say, but, you know, if they don't actually believe the Word of God, then...

I agree. :) It's interesting that you use the word 'dream' here... Agree with this, too... :) Yes, I know your thoughts on the matter. Well, we (although I'm not too sure who all here would be included in this "we") don't accept the concept of a "pre trib rapture"... ...because it's...

Thank you for that, David. Not that I really deserve any credit, but what you say here is a breath of fresh air for me... compared to a lot of other things on this board. Yeah, a breath of fresh air. Thanks, my friend. Well, during the millennium, yes. Being a little picky here, but...

But a very real thing. :) "Spiritual" somehow seems to mean something not really happening to many, unfortunately, and/or that the physical is the only thing that's real. I don't think you're one of those who think that, but yeah. Grace and peace to you, Marty.

LOL! For the ones there (with Jesus in a disembodied state), what Paul describes in Ephesians 2:4-6 already happened for (was already applied to) them at some point during their lives here on earth. They, having been dead in their sin, were born again of the Spirit and raised in Christ also...

Yes, let's talk about that last clause, "...to stand before the Son of Man." :) In short, everyone ~ everyone ~ will be before Christ when He returns and takes His seat of judgment at the end of this age... after the close of this age. Again, "an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs...

Ah, the King James. It's not "bad," or "wrong," of course, but the antiquated language makes it a little harder for our modern ears to understand in places. If you would, consider the ESV or the NASB, which translate this verse respectively as follows: "But stay awake at all times, praying...

When Paul says, in 1 Thessalonians 4:15, "...we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep," he is speaking to a specific concern among the Thessalonian believers, which is either that they thought a.) that the dead would rise only...

Yes, as expected. :) That's the Greek work translated into the English as "caught up," as I'm sure you are aware. So that's in there, for sure, but if we look at that passage as a whole (specifically verses 14 through 17), we read the following (emphasis mine): "through Jesus, God will bring...