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  1. keithr

    What is "Parousia"?

    Revelation 14:6-7 (WEB): (6) I saw an angel flying in mid heaven, having an eternal Good News to proclaim to those who dwell on the earth, and to every nation, tribe, language, and people. (7) He said with a loud voice, “Fear the Lord, and give him glory; for the hour of his judgment has come...
  2. keithr

    What is "Parousia"?

    Only for Christians, for those called to share in Jesus' inheritance, as his bride. The rest of mankind, especially those that have never heard of God (YHVH) and Jesus during their lives, are not abandoned by God - they will have opportunity for eternal life during the 1,000 year reign (they're...
  3. keithr

    What is "Parousia"?

    To give them the opportunity to have eternal life, by believing in God and Jesus, and to become perfect humans during Christ's 1,000 year reign. For the Church, the dead will be raised as incorruptible and immortal spirit beings in the first resurrection, moments before the rapture occurs ("the...
  4. keithr

    What is "Parousia"?

    Of course. Lazarus had died, or had "fallen asleep" as Jesus put it, and was currently dead, or "asleep"; hence Jesus said "I am going so that I may awake him out of sleep".
  5. keithr

    What is "Parousia"?

    I agree, that is correct.
  6. keithr

    What is "Parousia"?

    Jesus, speaking of the death of Lazarus, said, John 11:11 (WEB): (11) He said these things, and after that, he said to them, “Our friend, Lazarus, has fallen asleep, but I am going so that I may awake him out of sleep.” The majority of Bible translatons translate 1 Cor. 15:51 as "shall not...
  7. keithr

    What is "Parousia"?

    Perhaps the confusion, or your disagreement, is based on timing, or time. To my understanding, to die, the moment of death, is an instant thing, something that happens at a point in time. Whereas the term 'sleep' is used to mean to be in the state of death for a period of time, perhaps for...
  8. keithr

    What is "Parousia"?

    This is turning into a Trinity discussion, which has been banned, so I'll have to stop responding to your posts. See Topics That Can No-Longer Be Discussed.
  9. keithr

    What is "Parousia"?

    When God said that He was the first and the last He was explaining that He existed before all things, and will exist forever. When Jesus said he was the first and the last, he also said, Revelation 1:17-18 (WEB): (17) When I saw him, I fell at his feet like a dead man. He laid his right hand...
  10. keithr

    What is "Parousia"?

    So what if God's name (YHVH) is not written in the New Testament? The Old Testament is still Gods word, and the Old Testament tells us God's name is YHVH. Jesus said that his Father was God, therefore his and our Father's name is YHVH. It's not rocket science - you should be able to...
  11. keithr

    What is "Parousia"?

    I did NOT say that we should not honour Jesus. Jesus prayed to God (YHVH) many times, sometimes even staying up all night in prayer. He taught his disciples to pray to "our Father in heaven" - Matthew 6:9 (WEB): (9) Pray like this: ‘Our Father in heaven, may your name be kept holy. [And...
  12. keithr

    What is "Parousia"?

    I guess you didn't bother reading the post/video that I linked to. In that verse, Jesus was claiming to be the Messiah, not claiming to be God. 1 Corinthians 8:4-6 (WEB): (4) Therefore concerning the eating of things sacrificed to idols, we know that no idol is anything in the world, and that...
  13. keithr

    What is "Parousia"?

    Jesus did, however, say: John 20:17 (WEB): (17) Jesus said to her, “Don’t hold me, for I haven’t yet ascended to my Father; but go to my brothers, and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’” God (YHVH) is Yeshua's Father, but YHVH is not Yeshua...
  14. keithr

    What is "Parousia"?

    It is apparent that Jesus is not God from 1 Corinthians 15:24-28 (WEB): (24) Then the end comes, when he will deliver up the Kingdom to God, even the Father; when he will have abolished all rule and all authority and power. (25) For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his...
  15. keithr

    The Rapture vs. the Pre-tribulational Rapture

    1 Peter 4:6 (WEB): (6) For to this end the Good News was preached even to the dead, that they might be judged indeed as men in the flesh, but live as to God in the spirit. So Peter was saying in verse 6 that the Gospel was preached to Christians who are now dead, so that although they were...
  16. keithr

    The Rapture vs. the Pre-tribulational Rapture

    I'm not trying to confuse you or anybody else. I'm just trying to help you understand what it means and to harmonise the Scriptures. From one end of the sky to the other simply means as far as you can see, effectively 'the whole world'. That's the same meaning as "gather from the four winds"...
  17. keithr

    The Rapture vs. the Pre-tribulational Rapture

    You are jumping to the wrong conclusion. I am not anti-KJV. I just said that its translation of this verse was ambiguous because the Greek word ouranos can be translated as sky or heaven, and I think they chose the wrong interpretation in this case (as the translators of other Bible...
  18. keithr

    The Rapture vs. the Pre-tribulational Rapture

    When Matthew uses the term "his disciples" he was normally referring to Jesus' 12 disciples, who Jesus chose, and who were all Jews (one of whom went on to betray him, and was therefore not one of God's elect). John 8:31 (WEB): Jesus therefore said to those Jews who had believed him, “If you...
  19. keithr

    The Rapture vs. the Pre-tribulational Rapture

    Matthew 24:29 (WEB): (29) Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: That seems to me to be describing events after the great Tribulation...
  20. keithr

    The Rapture vs. the Pre-tribulational Rapture

    Actually Jesus was speaking to his diciples only - Matthew 24:3 (WEB): (3) As he sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? What is the sign of your coming, and of the end of the age?”