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1Thess 1:4 says: For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication. It is God's will. Cirumstances do not count because it is through His power alone. All we need is to be willing. If you are felling a bit disturbed sister rejoice because this is...

I am a cessationist too sister. I did not mean that he was unsaved, just pointing out that many Bible scholars are unsaved. Knowing the Bible back to front is not evidence of being led by the Spirit. Agreed that the starting point is not unbelieving Jews but people who have answered the call...

It depends on what you mean by sinless perfection.

Please start your own thread if you wish to discuss OSAS. This thread is about sanctification.

Try the patches or gum. Cigarettes are addictive because of the additives. Do your own research.

Paul is talking about judging sin. He says that God judges sin through our consciences and is his judge. This has nothing to do with knowing if we are without sin. If our conscience is clear we have either seared it or we are blameless. We know by the intimacy we have with Christ.

Be ye mature as your heavenly Father is mature?

I think that he means alive in the Spirit - Spirit baptized and in Theosis. If indeed they have the Spirit within, then they should be showing the fruit. If the fruit is not there then they have not been baptized. It is a test for them.

Agreed. It was so for me. I believe that He gives a taste of what we can be like when His power is there fully. I think that many think that they are *there*, they have reached the point of salvation that they read about and are taught mistakenly. When the 'pricks' of the Spirit come, they...

A spiritual change yes. An awakening to the truth of the gospel. We are now spiritual receptive to God. It caused a huge change for me after seeking. No we learn but we cannot do it. It is because we are trying to do it in the flesh. For the cPTSD'ed it is especially hard. Agreed. If we...

At last I can get back to this one. Sorry it took so long but it stayed with me. What you are describing, is neurological damage, but according to all of the studying I have done since Christmas with my brothers family and there abusive behaviour towards me shocked me into the reality that I...

That was a bit judgmental of her.

@marks Awake for a short time, but just wanted to tell you how much l appreciate this conversation too, because it is very good how you have been taking things apart and making me look again at how my beliefs developed and most importantly, am l right or wrong. I actually hope l am wrong. Have...

But that is saying Paul sees himself as a child.

I don't see that in scripture till Pentecost, the end point of the sanctification process. The vessel is cleansed at that point ie tongues of fire.

Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.” 1 Cor 11:12 He is comparing the past to now, from child to man; knowing in part - which must be past to keep to the analogy, today - knowing fully. I don't know why the wording has shifted. Have not noticed this...

I see the process starting when we first come to Christ, having heard His call and become disciples. At this stage, we need to go through trials so that we can understand what flesh is and what He requires of us to walk in the Spirit. We can see examples of this both in the OT and the New in the...

You are seeing through eyes of human reasoning otherwise known as the flesh, that will do anything to stay alive and not go to the cross, regarding when spiritual rebirth takes place. You are the same as the disciples before Pentecost, only knowing the law. Paul warned of such as you who...

Romans 7

This one thing I do This is the concern, as it is the sole business, of my life. Forgetting those things which are behind My conduct is not regulated nor influenced by that of others; I consider my calling, my Master, my work, and my end. If others think they have time to loiter or trifle, I...