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Rev 7:13 Then one of the elders asked me, “These in white robes—who are they, and where did they come from?” 14 I answered, “Sir, you know.” And he said, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15...

Thanks for providing the opportunity for me to look in depth at this portion of scripture. I have somehow missed it until now. As a Calvinist in the past, I was OSAS, of course, but can't remember using these verses. Perhaps I did, but now I think there is more to them than is found in the...

@marks would you mind saying what salvation is - what are we saved from, from our side thanks.

Kept by the power of God unto salvation is talking about those who are aiming for salvation, not in it yet, and speaks of the wonderful way that the Lord works as we are going through the terrible trials in the wilderness, whereby we are indeed at risk of losing our faith as the fires of hell...

Just remembered why it is called divine. The whole service is to bring participants to repentance, and to prepare them for the acceptance of the Holy Spirit to baptize them.

Lets get this straight @marks, you say that man can choose whether to accept Christ or not, but once he has, he is unable to turn away and disbelieve in God again. So he loses his free will when he is saved?

Indeed He does chasten but only if we continue with Him. If we no longer will it then we are no longer sons. He took no action at all with the Prodigal. Only a welcome back. How do you feel marks about the descendants of the apostles disciples fighting against the doctrine of pagans which...

I am only interested in the spirituality that was taught in the very early times of the church ie entire sanctification. Bad practices came in early. Sorry you are not going to catch me out and only show your heart in trying to do so.

Against my will? Or let me go like the Prodigal Son and make my own decision to return or not. The early Christians were all free will.

No idea. I don't have anything to do with them. They are nearer to true Christianity though. Why don't you pull Protestantism to bits instead? It's more appropriate here.

John you are talking rubbish. No offence but they use the same liturgy that they have always used since very early days and nearly all of it is scripture. Many have converted to them because of this. Now whether they are genuine believers to be found amongst them today is beyond the point...

John are you awake yet? It says divine liturgy. Basil was a saint yes. Wanting a bit of revenge eh.

Unlike the Catholic or Protestant service, the priest has his back to the people during the liturgy apart from his homily. Not saying this is perfect but far superior to other churches. I like the Quaker service.

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Well we know this and a lot of Orthodox are just pew seaters or rather standers, but that is not the point of what I said and instead of admitting you were wrong, you had to twist it. Not an honest reply. "John said earlier, that the Orthodox liturgy is man made. It is scripture actually, from...

He was above the ones at the shooting. They were tending to stoop down.

There is also the way that Trump, after he stood up raised his arm giving another gunman if present a good target, unhindered by the security around him not protecting him, especially his head, from further shots.

Just add a ps, there is the mellowing in maturity of course but we can pit that against ones obedience to Christ and on small things like what we eat. actually that is not a small thing. It directly affects how efficient we will be and how long we will keep going. When there used to be 'health...

Not sure I go along with the same observation marks. I often see more of mild/worsening dementia amongst elderly believers, and a general loss of patience towards others. I have read a lot about how bad eating habits contribute a great deal to cognitive decline (and physical) and where better to...

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