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    Luke 21:36 is Not a Rapture Passage

    I'm well aware, but that's all that was really needed. Yes, the same day that it started raining, TheLight. Seven days after God had told Noah the rain would come. This is all really beside the point. The point here was that some were propping this up as an example of the rapture, and it's...
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    Luke 21:36 is Not a Rapture Passage

    Here's the text in Genesis 7: "Then the LORD said to Noah, 'Go into the ark, you and all your household, for I have seen that you are righteous before Me in this generation. Take with you seven pairs of all clean animals, the male and his mate, and a pair of the animals that are not clean, the...
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    Luke 21:36 is Not a Rapture Passage

    Actually, God gave Noah six days to gather all the animals and load the ark. :) The seventh day God brought the rain, so, having completed his work, Noah was able to rest from his labors that day, which is a picture of the Sabbath. We shall all enter the eternal Sabbath, the final Promised...
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    Luke 21:36 is Not a Rapture Passage

    No one argues that His glorious return ~ parousia ~ will be a rapturous event, a once-and-for-all seizing of what is His. But there is nothing there to indicate any kind of removal of anyone. We will go out to meet Him, as loyal subjects do on the return of royalty. This will not be "in...
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    Luke 21:36 is Not a Rapture Passage

    Well, because it's not wonderful enough, actually; it's portraying it as less glorious than it really is. :) He'll be bringing the Kingdom in its fullness to us and making the whole of creation new ~ heaven and earth will finally be one again. The victory will finally be complete. God never...
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    The Orthodox Preterist versus the Heretical Dispensationalist

    LOL!!! I... guess I agree... :) That's kind of the point when God makes the covenant with Abraham, that, by saying, "Count them if you can," God's implication is, "Hey, dude, you can't possibly count them all, because you "don't have the means"..." LOL!!! :D Maybe, and possibly probably...
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    The Orthodox Preterist versus the Heretical Dispensationalist

    If you mean to say that Revelation's timeframe is beginning before Christ, then I disagree. As I said above, John clearly states the timeframe covered in his visions in Revelation 1 and 4, as I said above. If you mean to say that much of what Daniel prophesies is in the same time frame as is...
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    It Must Be Absolutely Terrifying To Be A Post-Tribulation Believer

    One clarification, David. Do you hold that the millennium will begin after the events of Matthew 25:31-46? Or before, maybe? I may or may not have a follow-up question. Thank you. Grace and peace to you.
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    It Must Be Absolutely Terrifying To Be A Post-Tribulation Believer

    I pray that I will endure to the end, along with the rest of the saints. But I know ~ have absolute confidence ~ that I will, because I have the Holy Spirit, through Whom Christ is with me to the end of the age (Matthew 28:20) and through Whom I am seated with Christ in the heavenly places...
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    It Must Be Absolutely Terrifying To Be A Post-Tribulation Believer

    I agree with you, David, but I would call it a "Holy Spirit fact" that there is no support for any "rapture" of any kind in any relation to Christ's return... and only ~ <chuckle> "only," as if it is some trivial thing ~ that Christ's return will be a very rapturous event. Grace and peace to you.
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    The Orthodox Preterist versus the Heretical Dispensationalist

    No matter; the true Jew of God is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit (Romans 2:29)... Gentiles are grafted in (Romans 11), which is to say that though they are "wild olive shoots," they are no longer counted as such, but one with, even as the natural and not...
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    It Must Be Absolutely Terrifying To Be A Post-Tribulation Believer

    Agreed. It may be... but that doesn't make it correct. God never promises to remove His people from any sort of tribulation, but to be with them and walk with them and protect them through it, in the midst of it. He doesn't remove us from anything, but rather delivers us. Among many others...
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    The Orthodox Preterist versus the Heretical Dispensationalist

    No, I do not believe Hebrews 6:6 is not referring to true repentance, Spiritual Israelite. Okay, well I'm not sure why, but you can dispel that thought straight away. I very pointedly said, Spiritual Israelite, that I knew you did not intend to take sin lightly ~ "I know you don't mean to be...
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    The Orthodox Preterist versus the Heretical Dispensationalist

    Yes, they do. :) We disagree. I agree with both of these statements, but not in the way you see that, obviously. I guess to this I would say that, well, earth and paradise will be one. They will be separate no more. We disagree. Sure, but the implication of anything declared can be very...
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    The Orthodox Preterist versus the Heretical Dispensationalist

    No, of course not. I have never said nor implied that it did, and am not sure why you would think it necessary to ask me this. Disagree. Abraham's end of the covenant was to be perfectly faithful and obedient. As is the case with all these covenants (Adamic, Noahic, Abrahamic, Mosaic...
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    The Orthodox Preterist versus the Heretical Dispensationalist

    In your opinion, yes, I get that, loud and clear. Others will hold the same opinion. I disagree. Maybe "self-deception" is not the right term to use there in all cases. Upon self-reflection, people change their minds, right? So, in that case, they come to realize somehow and at some point...
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    The Orthodox Preterist versus the Heretical Dispensationalist

    Me, too. :) I agree. But I'm not contradicting (or retracting) anything I've said. It is very possible, Covenantee, for someone to think that of themselves in error, even believing it to be a matter of the heart. Again, as Jeremiah says, "The heart is deceitful above all things; who can...
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    The Orthodox Preterist versus the Heretical Dispensationalist

    LOL! Well, he did say, "nor anything else in all creation," did he not? And I'm... assuming you're somewhere in creation... :) I mean... I am... :) That's exactly the problem, SI, that you're equating 'saved' and 'repented.' I understand; you will not allow for someone repenting without...
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    The Orthodox Preterist versus the Heretical Dispensationalist

    He was. We disagree. Right, but true repentance is of the Spirit, Spiritual Israelite. People can say anything, and even repent of their sins, and be sincere in doing that. But what we pray for, even continually, is a deep and lasting repentance granted us by the Holy Spirit's work in us...
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    The Orthodox Preterist versus the Heretical Dispensationalist

    Both, actually. The operative word, I guess, would be 'accepted.' A person can accept anything heard or experienced, although for sure, he/she is much more likely to accept what he/she has experienced. But with regard to salvific belief, that can only follow the regenerate heart, which is the...