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  1. Butch5

    Baptism for Salvation

    Actually, I think the foot washing that Jesus spoke of is what takes place after baptism. When one is baptized their former sins are remitted, however, they will still have future sins. John says 'if we confess our sins He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins'. I believe this is the foot...
  2. Butch5

    When was the last time....

    Yes, that's been my experience also. It's hard sometimes to not reply when someone is sarcastic or uses name calling. However, I try to keep in mind that I represent Christ and He's watching even if nobody else worries about it. I also realize as you mentioned that no one is going to listen to...
  3. Butch5

    Gifts of the Spirit

    I agree with what you've said and I believe the perfect being neuter is key. You spoke of it being future and I agree. However, I believe it was future the time of Paul's writing not future at our time. I believe the Perfect is the Christian faith, that is not the canon but the faith, the body...
  4. Butch5

    Baptism for Salvation

    When are we a child of God? Paul answwers that question for us. Galatians 3:25-27 ( KJV ) But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on...
  5. Butch5

    Baptism for Salvation

    What exactly is the kingdom of God? Who is going there? How are we getting there?? Christians, that's who. People who are redeemed by the grace of Jesus, by His sacrifice. You can claim that the KoG is a seperate thing, but salvation leads to the Kingdom of God, be it the future one we long to...
  6. Butch5

    When was the last time....

    I haven't been here very long, not even long enough to know others beliefs. However, I did change many of my position about four years ago after reading and conversing with several individuals on another board and after an extensive study of the Ante-Nicene church writers.
  7. Butch5

    Gifts of the Spirit

    But it has come. If the perfect is the body of Christ it has come, whether in fullness or not it has come. Paul didn't say when the perfect, perfect has come, which is what would be the case if you are saying tha the body of Christ had come in it's fulness. I don't think there is an argument for...
  8. Butch5

    Gifts of the Spirit

    If you believe that the perfect is the body of Christ, then it has already come, correct?
  9. Butch5

    Is it ok for a Christian to kill people?

    Well said my friend!
  10. Butch5

    Baptism for Salvation

    Ducky, No offense, but this post was to Rach. I have found it is not profitable to discuss this with you because you just post one liners with no commentary, I said Jesus didn't preach his death for sins on the cross, and you posted two verses, one for Leviticus, Jesus didn't preach in...
  11. Butch5

    Baptism for Salvation

    To ask for forgiveness. It is up to God whether or not He will save a person. Even if one repents it is not guaranteed. The Scriptures tell us that God grants repentance, so it is up to Him who He saves. Do you suppose that the one who refuses to be baptized will be saved? God is the only one...
  12. Butch5

    Baptism for Salvation

    Just look it up. Jesus didn’t preach His death on the cross for sins. He preached the gospel of the kingdom of God. Salvation is a part of that Gospel, but only that, a part. What did Jesus say? Unless a man is born again he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. The purpose of the new birth is...
  13. Butch5

    Baptism for Salvation

    Yes, he was, but it was still under the old covenant.
  14. Butch5

    Baptism for Salvation

    What part are you missing. The thief was saved under the Old Covenant, not the New. The Scripture clearly says that a testament is "NOT" in effect while the testator is alive. Jesus was alive when the was promised paradise. Therefore he was saved under the old, the Mosaic covenant. When the...
  15. Butch5

    Loneliness

    That statement Jesus made was to the Jews that heard Him speaking. Today much of the Bible is quoted out of context. That's one of the reasons that there is so much confusion.
  16. Butch5

    Baptism for Salvation

    For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
  17. Butch5

    Baptism for Salvation

    What part of Jesus was alive is unclear? Hebrews 9:15-17 ( KJV ) And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal...
  18. Butch5

    Baptism for Salvation

    That's Biblical evidence? You didn't say saved, you said born again. Yes, he did, and he was recording the historical events that had taken place. He didn't say and Peter taught XYZ. Notice his words Luke 1:1-4 ( KJV ) Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration...
  19. Butch5

    What did Paul Believe?

    Paul taught the same thing as Jesus and the apostles.
  20. Butch5

    Baptism for Salvation

    No he wasn't, Jesus was still alive when the thief was told 'today you will be with me in paradise.'