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I've already proven it, but, again, because you prefer deception, you don't admit it. That's fine, keep outing yourself to the readers. I agree you are theologically bankrupt utterly incapable of defending your incoherence--so on that point we can agree. Again, lies. I already clarified this...

Right, it's my thread, though, and that was the approach I chose. That is a process of refinement we go through as we spend time reading--ridding ourselves of our views, and coming to more Scriptural views (and Scriptural questions). Demonstrate how I did not let the author ask his questions...

Again, you prefer to hold to your lies against me than hear me out. I corrected your misunderstanding, and you refuse to admit your error. You're intentionally dishonest. Oops, this is my thread--you can run along, I'll stay here in my thread.

Yeah, you misunderstood me, because you see salvation as a once-for-all-occurrence, whereas I, believing the Bible, see it as an ongoing reality ("were saved", "are being saved", "will be saved", "now is our salvation nearer than when we first believed"). You even used the word "initial", which...

Nope, I never once argued--I also explicitly denied--that "initial" salvation or justification was by loving God. The issue was how CHRISTIANS abide in Him, and I proved it was by believing and loving, and you could never disprove it because it's explicitly stated (1 Jn 3:23,24). Why would I...

You're still lying about what I said. Anyone can read what I said "we love Him because He loved us first". It's the same thing I'm doing with your incoherent babbling. Keep it up.

I have explicitly denied this, so, again, you're being deceptive--it's apparently all you know how to do. I even corrected your misundertanding about my position, already--I said AFTER God loves us, then we can love God and others--but you're STILL lying about me. You INSIST on lying about...

I invite all readers to see read how you've evaded, instead of answering, when your responses were addressed. You've given your views, yes, but when they were answered, you simply didn't answer. Now you want to be deceptive, and pretend you've answered--doesn't help your position look very good...

Empty words. Either answer the answers already provided your vacuous nonsense or quit pretending you're up for discussion. No need to mention the idea of you "teaching" me ever again : as stated, I find you to be deceptive and lacking knowledge, and you run away in fear when your ignorance is...

For the purpose of the OP, I wanted to stick to John's Gospel.

You cannot justify, from Scripture, any of your vain ignorance--the idea that you are in a position to "teach" is laughable.

I proved the works mentioned there were God's works and God's righteousness amd goodness, but you have no answer. When you feel brave, I guess, you can interact with the answer you were already given. Yup, now they are to walk in it, completing faith by works. 1. You're so funny : Jesus's...

1. "... obey... for it is God at work in you to will and to do for His pleasure" : when we obey, and work the works God is working in us, that counts as "God's righteousness apart from the Law" (Ro 3), so that's not our righteousness, nor our goodness, but God's righteousness and goodness. 2...

Jesus is also recorded as stating only those who have done good will be raised to eternal life (John 5) : again, manifestly, the two are a singular command. They exist on a continuum, with the result that failure to love is also failure to believe, just as the verse I cited (and many others)...

Correction : what this teaches is that believing and loving are a singular command ("Command", not "commands"), so that instances of a believer failing to love are also instances of that believer denying Christ ("He who does not provide for his family... has denied the faith.", etc, etc, etc)...

God's command is that you believe in the Name of God's Son and love others (1 Jn 3:23); John teaches that by doing this command we will abide in Him and be supplied with His Spirit / eternal life (1 Jn 3:24) that is "in His Son (1 Jn 5:10, 11). You're telling me John is incorrect, and this is...

Christ is the Word; it is logical, then, that He states, "He who feeds on Me abides in Me and I in him", "If you abide in Me, and My Words abide in you... If you keep my commandments, you will abide in My love... This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you", and, "And...

Sound advice.

John 15 says if we don't abide we will be cut off and thrown in the fire--1 Jn 2:28 says this warning applies to the "little children" (immature believers) he writes to.

That is a good question. If we believe in Jesus, what do we believe? Wouldn't we, of necessity, believe He will lose none but give them eternal life and raise them up on the last Day? If so, how would you say that people fail to abide in Him and are cut off--and how would you reconcile that...