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  1. PinSeeker

    The gods of amil.

    Right, because they are, the same general event, but believers first, as described vividly in Matthew 25:31-46, and generally in John 5:28-29. In the latter, Jesus Himself said, "Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear His voice and come out, those...
  2. PinSeeker

    Collosians 1:15-16

    The verb "know/knew" in both the OT Hebrew and the NT Greek, when used in the context you're speaking of here, is virtually synonymous with "love/loved." Adam "knew Eve," as we read in Genesis 4, which is to say he... well, loved her. It has to do with a purposeful action towards, and a...
  3. PinSeeker

    Collosians 1:15-16

    I... don't really care what the Catholicism encyclopedia says. :) Grace and peace to you.
  4. PinSeeker

    The gods of amil.

    Absolutely not... Well, to us, in our temporal view, sure. In your opinion; yeah, I get you loud and clear, over and over and over. Think what you will; you're certainly your own person. But that seemed to be what you were propagating. Yes, I hope not. :) Any "Amill" worth his or her...
  5. PinSeeker

    The gods of amil.

    It is true. Not "in a sense." It is true. It's just not what a lot of folks would picture when they picture a resurrection. There will be that kind of physical resurrection, but there is a real resurrection of the spirit that happens in the life of the Christian, before which they are not a...
  6. PinSeeker

    The gods of amil.

    Sure, but there is a real resurrection going on there for every new believer. We are made alive, even having been dead in our sin (Ephesians 2 (and other Pauline quotes), 1 Peter 1). Cool. Grace and peace to you.
  7. PinSeeker

    The gods of amil.

    You're doing, Truth7t7, exactly what EWQ is doing ~ not understanding it correctly because you're applying a context to it that is different from what it is. As I said to EWQ, I say to you: we have to remember that John quotes Jesus in his vision as saying, "Come up here, and I will show you...
  8. PinSeeker

    The gods of amil.

    See, this was my point, EWQ ~ you seem to be reading Revelation 20 at the exclusion of any other passage of Scripture. And in addition to that, you will certainly disagree and possibly take offense to this, but you're not understanding it correctly because you're applying a context to it that...
  9. PinSeeker

    The gods of amil.

    Then maybe you should make an effort to be more clear in what you do post. And I clearly disagree, based on other passages of Scripture. God is His own arbiter. But John's Revelation is apocalyptic in genre; it cannot be read like a Dick and Jane first grade primer. Anyone can be blessed by...
  10. PinSeeker

    The gods of amil.

    I disagree. Maybe you can tell me why you think that. I have my suspicions, but I'll let you answer that. Well, it's a one-time occurrence for individuals; do you not understand me to be saying that? If you do, then great, and I redirect you again to what I asked you immediately above ~ to...
  11. PinSeeker

    The gods of amil.

    Well, right, because it's not. :) You think it is. Fine; we can agree to disagree. Well, the second is different in nature than the first (incidentally much like the second death is different in nature than the first). I understand well that you think not. Again, fine; we can agree to...
  12. PinSeeker

    The gods of amil.

    Of course there is... well, at least for those who physically die before Jesus's return, for the ones not still alive at His return. For those who physically die before Christ returns, they will certainly be physically resurrected. Those who are still alive at the time of Christ's return will...
  13. PinSeeker

    The gods of amil.

    You disagree. I have no problem with that. Okay, I'm going to reply, and certainly you can do with this what you want, but I would really encourage you to just thoughtfully and prayerfully consider it... Well, I agree that it is the first of two in Revelation 20... Again: I say ~ and I am...
  14. PinSeeker

    The gods of amil.

    Yes, Paul wrote the same things over and over again in different ways, different letters, but the same in substance. Grace and peace to you, SI.
  15. PinSeeker

    The gods of amil.

    Okay. :) Ah, well, okay, we disagree. :) The first resurrection is spiritual, in which we are raised from death in sin ~ we were formerly dead in our trespasses (Ephesians 2:5) ~ to life in the spirit by and of the Holy Spirit ~ made alive together with Christ and raised up with him...
  16. PinSeeker

    The gods of amil.

    I really don't know, EWQ. Was I unclear in what I said? I did say that I'm not sure whether you were agreeing or disagreeing with what I said in post #191. I think ~ I think ~ you're seeing a difference where there's not one. But you can speak for yourself; far be it from me to put words in...
  17. PinSeeker

    Christians arent suppose to judge according to Jesus?

    Most people who say the Bible ~ Jesus, actually ~ says "Christians are not supposed to judge" (specifically in Matthew 7:1) are inadvertently using that in a way something along the lines of "Christians are not supposed to think," which is quite ridiculous. The proper directive is that...
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    How Many Christians Believe When We DIE, Our Human Spirit Goes Instantly To HEAVEN?

    The dichotomy that some folks are wont to make from what Paul says in 1 Corinthians 15:44 ~ "sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body... (t)here is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body" is not one of mere substance. The substance, the physicality of the body in both the...
  19. PinSeeker

    Collosians 1:15-16

    Both, actually. :) You sound like George Lucas... :) Jack's posts above are a sampling of relevant Scripture passages that should be more than enough to refute what you say here. Grace and peace to you.
  20. PinSeeker

    The gods of amil.

    You know, thanks, EWQ, but I'm really not sure what to make of your post... whether you're agreeing or disagreeing with me. I'm not really concerned about it, but, yeah, I'm not sure. Grace and peace to you.