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  1. OzSpen

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    You gave not one reference to Scripture in your statements. They sure sound like your opinions/assertions without a biblical base. We know this from the Scriptures of the New Testament that after death, unbelievers are: Conscious and in torment (Luke 16:23); “Under punishment until the day of...
  2. OzSpen

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    You are dead right, Enoch. What makes it even more difficult is that I'm not hearing anything much from the pulpit of expositions of life after death. I lead a small group of senior citizens in a weekly daytime Bible study. They asked for some studies on Life After Death. I had written some of...
  3. OzSpen

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    qt, I found this to be a reasonably good explanation of the difference between physical and spiritual gift: According to Genesis 2:17, God told Adam that, if he ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, he would “surely die.” Some skeptics have tried to use this verse to show an...
  4. OzSpen

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    brakelite, That's because you don't understand what Abraham's Bosom means. Who went there in the story of the rich man and Lazarus? It was Lazarus, the poor man, of course! This is what it means: It is his soul, of course, that was so borne by the angels, not his body. Into Abraham's bosom (ei...
  5. OzSpen

    Does God know

    It seems I wasn't clear in the point I was making. I Peter 1:1-2 (NIV) demonstrates that God has foreknowledge of who will be in the elect. However, this same God with the same knowledge states, 'Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before...
  6. OzSpen

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    brakelite, You do this so regularly of giving us a piece out of your mind but with no biblical support stated. Let's get some things clear about the nature of God: 1. God was dealing with Sodom and Scripture states: 22The men turned away and went toward Sodom, but Abraham remained standing...
  7. OzSpen

    Does God know

    Giuliano, Yes, 1 Pet 1:1-2 (NIV) is about God's foreknowledge of the elect but that automatically infers that the God of all knowledge would know who the non-elect are. This is further emphasised in Psalm 147:5 (NRSV), 'Great is our Lord, and abundant in power; his understanding is beyond...
  8. OzSpen

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    brakelite, I have no idea why you included Mark 9:43-47 as a reference to support your theology because this is what it states: 43 If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out. 45...
  9. OzSpen

    Does God know

    n2t, You gave no Scripture to support your view that God's omniscience does not cover those chosen in Christ and those who reject him. There is a clear Scripture that opposes your OP: To God’s elect, exiles, scattered throughout the provinces of Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia...
  10. OzSpen

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    Why don't you correct the confusion for us?
  11. OzSpen

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    qt, What's the difference between physical death and spiritual death in Scripture? Oz
  12. OzSpen

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    Enoch, So, what is the meaning of this verse? 'Then they [the unrighteous] will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life' (Matt 25:46 NIV). How long is 'eternal punishment'? How long is immortality? Oz
  13. OzSpen

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    Daniel prophesied (12:2 NIV): 'Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt'. 'Everlasting life' and 'everlasting contempt' refer to a derived immortality and not to the one God who is immortal in essence.
  14. OzSpen

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    brakelite, You have rewritten Jesus' story of the rich man and Lazarus with your own afterlife spin. Luke 16:19-31 (NIV) states: 19 ‘There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with...
  15. OzSpen

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    brakelite, Here is why I do not believe the Bible teaches what you have stated here: Before Christ’s resurrection, both believers and unbelievers went to Sheol/Hades – two separate places in that location (see Isa 14:9-20; 44:23; Ezek 32:21; Lk 16:22-23). After the resurrection, believers go...
  16. OzSpen

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    Therefore, you reject a lot of Scripture. Sounds more like a humanistic view than a biblically based understanding.
  17. OzSpen

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    Enoch, It is true that God alone is immortal - deathless in his essence (1 Tim 6:16). He cannot ever die. However God has imparted immortality to believers. We see this in the OT where it was taught that immortality would come about if people lived righteously. This is clearly taught in Prov...
  18. OzSpen

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    brakelite, 2 Thess 1:8-9 (NIV) states: 'He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might'. When I drove over my child's toy, it...
  19. OzSpen

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    Enoch, Immortality - if defined as eternal - refers to both Christian believers and the damned: ‘Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life' (Matt 25:46 NIV). The length of time for the righteous in the place of eternal life is exactly the same length of...
  20. OzSpen

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    No! You confuse God who has no beginning and end with people (saved and lost) who have a beginning (they are born) and have an eternal destiny in heaven or Hades/Gehenna. You don't seem to understand the false doctrine of conditional immortality.