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Water doesn't normally become wine either and yet it did. Better figure out what's going on. I wouldn't rely on Greek philosophy to do that. They believed in per-existence. See what the Jews though of per-existence. They correctly did not believe in it.

So Jesus was not at all like the rest of us and Hebrews 2:16-17 should be removed from the scriptures? It looks like you are following Greek philosophy by making wisdom (Priv 8) a person. Since the scriptures was not given to them but to the Jews, see how the Jews looked at wisdom. That will...

I just thought of something while reading your post; why does John call Jesus "the Jesus" here but nowhere else? John 1:1, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. "The Jesus" just sounds weird. On the other hand, if we take "logos" for what it really...

Heb 2:16-17, 16 For verily he took not on [him the nature of] angels; but he took on [him] the seed of Abraham. 17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto [his] brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things [pertaining] to God, to make...

The Hebrew Elohim means "supreme ones" and it is used of other spiritual beings besides God Almighty. Look it up in Strong's Concordance. Almost all the places where Elohim refers to YHWH the pronouns or verbs are singular. Notice the second word from the left, "bra," "he created." It is...

Not only does Jesus have a Father, but he also has a God! The same God we all have. John 20:17, Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and [to] my God, and your God. Maybe...

I think Phil 2 is a great parallel with the first Adam. Adam thought it'd be a great idea to be God. Jesus didn't make the same mistake. He could have, but by his free will, he chose to do always what the Father told him to do. What a fantastic story! Of course if we see it as God always did...

I did read Philippians carefully, and the first thing I noticed was that we were to have the same mind as Christ. I see two possibilities. 1) Jesus thought he was God and therefore we are to also think we are God. 2) Jesus had virtually the same authority as God. God was in him (2 Cor 5:19)...

John 5:22, For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: Interesting that one part of God gave something to another part of God. Prior to that, I guess they weren't really equal, given that one had something another didn't have. John 3:35, The Father loveth the...

Well, I think I have a pretty good handle on the nature of Jesus and God, namely that Jesus is God's son.

I accepted the mission about 45 years ago. Been the best 45 years of my life! :)

Here's the actual text: John 17:21-22, 21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are...

You are basing a doctrine on a few verses that could perhaps be taken in a Trinitarian way. But, they don't come out and say outright that Jesus is God, whereas I've shown a half dozen verses that specifically say he was a man (Acts 2:22 et. al.), whereas God is NOT a man (Hos 11:9, et. al.)...

Excellent verses for sure! Thanks.

Hey David, just for the record, I think you're a really good guy. Too bad more people don't put as much effort into understanding God. The world would be a better place with more folks like you. I'm glad to call you my brother!

But the phrase, "Jesus is God" is found somewhere in the scriptures? I don't think it is.

Well, I didn't invent Greek grammar. I just go along with it, and I'm really sorry to say that it is grammatically correct to translate, "και θεος ην ο λογοs" as, "and the word was Godly." Saying, "the word was God" creates many contradictions which I've pointed out many times, whereas the...

Well, you have a good point IF the phrase in John 1:1 is, "...and the Word was God." However, if that phrase is taken as, "...and the Word was godly" there is no problem. The logos was not something that was created at all. It's God's mind, which of course was not created. It's just part of the...

All good points, but 2,000 years of tradition is awfully hard to overcome. I think that only about 2% of Christians understand that Jesus is the son of God and not God the son. That alone shows how powerful the tradition is. I mean, what could be more simple than Jesus being God's son? Plus...

There is actually a 3rd way to approach the scriptures: using our God given mind/intellect along with God's gift of holy spirit which is given at the moment we are born again. Paul told Timothy to study the scriptures (2 Tim 2:15). The word "study" is Greek "spoudazo" which means to be diligent...