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  1. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    Who is God's God and Father? John 20:17, Romans 15:6, 2 Cor 1:3, 2 Cor 11:31, Eph 1:17, 1 Pet 1:3, Rev 1:6, Rev 3:12. All say Jesus had a God and a Father. Who would that be? Are Rom 5:15, Acts 2:22, Acts 17:31, 1 TIm 2:5, John 4:29, John 8:40 not crystal clear in calling Jesus a man? Don't try...
  2. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    They also like John 8:58 a lot. John 8:58, Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. Of course, they make no attempt to square that with Matt 1:18, Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before...
  3. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    At least give me credit about being right about your zeal for the Lord. :) Maybe someday you will consider the plethora of verses that make it quite impossible for Jesus to be God along with the few you quote that, at best, are ambiguous and don't say outright that Jesus is God. Romans 10:2...
  4. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    Isa 45:5, I, am Yahweh, and there is none else, Besides me, there is no, God,––I gird thee, though thou hast not known me: So you're saying that God's name, Yahweh, is also Jesus's name? It looks to me like there is no other Yahweh, but you're making up another besides Yahweh that is God...
  5. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    Dear brother, you keep saying that, but where is it found in the scriptures? As far as I can tell, Jesus never did anything at his discretion. John 5:30, I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the...
  6. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    That doesn't say Jesus God. It says Jesus had a name which meant "God with us." Since God was in Jesus (2 Cor 5:19) it could indeed be said that God was with us. I trust you know that Christ is in you (Col 1:27). So it's God in Christ in you. Guess what that means? Wherever you are, God is! Have...
  7. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    Yes! It's the Trinitarians that minimize God's logos and the greatness of Jesus in carrying out that plan to perfection.
  8. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    Is that supposed to prove Jesus is God? You realize that it was YHWH who said that. How does that say Jesus is YHWH. It actually says quite the opposite. It says YHWH is the only true God. Oh, that's what 1 Cor 8:6 says also. Oh, well...they're just a bunch of words. The important thing is that...
  9. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    There is no such thing as a "mere" human. God created man just a little lower than the gods. Ps 8:4-5, 4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him? 5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour...
  10. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    Jer 18:8, If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them. Jer 18:10, If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them. I will...
  11. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    I guess the blind man who Jesus healed would also be God. John 9:9, Some said, This is he: others [said], He is like him: [but] he said, I am (εγω ειμι) [he]. And we mustn't forget that Paul was also God. Acts 26:29, And Paul said, I would to God, that not only thou, but also all that hear...
  12. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    Here's what I said when I mis-spelled YHWH: "YWHY committed that privilege to Jesus. Wait a second; one part of God committing something to another part? What? Oh my, the web weaved by the trinity seemingly knows no boundaries." I don't know why you point out the speck in my eye while ignoring...
  13. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    Many would rather believe the scriptures were given last year in LA or New York rather than to an Ancient Near Eastern people several thousands of years ago. Apparently, the attitude is, "Who cares what Israel thought about God? We'll make Him fit our own ways and times."
  14. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    While Trinitarians are quick to condemn those who disagree to eternal torture, I can't recall ever seeing it go the other way. That in itself ought to speak volumes. There are many passages on how to get saved and not a single one mention the trinity let alone the requirement to believe it. As...
  15. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    Logic is avoided simply be saying God's ways are above our ways. That is true enough, but it does not say we can't understand His ways once they've been revealed and Jesus certainly revealed the Father to us. If, as 1 Cor 2:16 says, we have the mind of Christ, then we ought to know what's what...
  16. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    All so true. The trinity makes the best story ever told and into an incoherent mess. It's a clear indication of God's resourcefulness that anyone holding to the trinity doctrine can even be born again. Grace upon grace I guess. Love covers a multitude of sins (1 Peter 4:8). The "go to" answer...
  17. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    Exactly! Here's a few more verses that explicitly call Jesus a man: Rom 5:15, But not as the offence, so also [is] the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, [which is] by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many...
  18. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    Why did you leave out the verses that I quoted that clearly say God can and does change His mind? Jer 18:6-10, 6 O house of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? saith the LORD. Behold, as the clay [is] in the potter's hand, so [are] ye in mine hand, O house of Israel. 7 [At what]...
  19. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    You are building a doctrine on a few verses that are at best inferential while ignoring many many crystal clear verses that say Jesus was a man just like the rest of us. Well, there is one big difference. Instead of inheriting the sin of Adam through Adam's seed, Jesus was the result of a...
  20. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    Romans says that death came by man and so did our salvation. God gave man dominion in Genesis and He also gave us free will. God does not force anything on us. He only tries to convince us to do the right thing, but ultimately it's up to our own choices. I believe it took 4,000 years to convey...