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  1. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    Sorry you had to reply to being called asinine by another believer. It would be nice if Christians could at least be civil with each other, regardless of different beliefs on certain points. Whether right or wrong, we don't have to call each other's beliefs asinine. It's God's goodness that...
  2. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    "Definition of Figure of Speech A figure of speech is a word or phrase that is used in a non-literal way to create an effect. This effect may be rhetorical as in the deliberate arrangement of words to achieve something poetic, or imagery as in the use of language to suggest a visual picture or...
  3. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    There's no maybe about it. I'm using logic which is exactly what the Gnostic denies They say there are mysteries that only the chosen or initiated ones can fathom. Of course, they themselves really can't fathom them, but they say that anyway. The Athenasian Creed's statement that there is a God...
  4. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    God does use figures of speech throughout the scriptures. A figure of speech is used to emphasize something and, by its nature, does not describe reality. I have a wife. At the moment she is about 30 miles away from me. Clearly, we are not literally one flesh. The same applies to Jesus and God...
  5. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    What could be a bigger change than God supposedly becoming flesh? You can't have it both ways.
  6. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    "For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths." [Paul, 2 Timothy 4:3] Grace and peace to you, Rich...
  7. Rich R

    Satan was right? Egads!

    I understand what you are saying, but I'm not suggesting anything other than the myth of three gods being one god. "So the Father is God; the Son is God; and the Holy Ghost is God. And yet they are not three Gods; but one God." The logos has a logical meaning (logos is where we get the word...
  8. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    The Bible doesn't say in so many words that God lives on the moon either, but I want to believe he does. Whether or not it's actually in the scriptures matters not; it is what it it is. I trust you see my sarcasm here, but it is intended to make a point. Could it be God doesn't live on the moon...
  9. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    Are you sure you want to stick with that? Let's look at John: John 4:22-24, 22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father...
  10. Rich R

    Satan was right? Egads!

    I wasn't suggesting that scripture is Plato-breathed. I was saying the the trinity is Plato-breathed. Do you know anything about Plato's "Theory of Forms?"
  11. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    Which version do you use that has the words "God the Son?" You appear to base your entire doctrine on such a phrase. I just haven't seen it and I know it's not found anywhere in a Hebrew, Aramaic, or Greek text. The only ancient source I know of that uses "God the Son" is the Athenasian Creed...
  12. Rich R

    Satan was right? Egads!

    I'm not JW. Yes, when Jesus and God are kept in their proper positions, it is a different story, one which you do not know. I know your story but you don't know mine, so I don't see how you are in any position to comment on how the Bible reads with the understanding of Jesus actually being the...
  13. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    As I recall, Jesus is said to have a God in about a half dozen places in the NT. Ephesians 1:3 comes to mind, but there are others. Maybe we should be worshiping that God. He must be even more powerful than YHWH. :) But, I guess it's easier to just ignore those verses and keep calling Jesus...
  14. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    Got it! Thanks. Very good. Too often folks jump to conclusions as to what a word meant to the ancient Hebrews. They din't always mean the same thing as we in the modern West think they mean. It's nice to know there's someone who cares to make the effort to ascertain the true meaning of words...
  15. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    Matt 7:3, And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 1 John 1:8, If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
  16. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    I did and don't see how that changes how Strong's defines "everlasting." Am I missing something? It's also worth understand both the words "old" and "going forth" (both from KJV) mean in Hebrew. Both are also in Strong's.
  17. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    I didn't know that. I guess it makes sense though. I won't say anything about what "everlasting" means. I'll let Strong's define it. H3117 יוֹם yowm (yome) n-m. 1. a day (as the warm hours). 2. (literal) from sunrise to sunset, or from one sunset to the next. 3. (figurative) a space of time...
  18. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    John 8:58, Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. Read the verse very carefully as written. Notice that nowhere does it speak of an "eternity past." John didn't say Jesus existed in "eternity past." It says Jesus existed "before Abraham" and there is...
  19. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    Let's just take the first of 500 verses and see if they really say Jesus is God. Col 1:15, Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: Jesus is the image of God. OK. My wife was looking in the mirror as I stood behind her. I looked in the mirror and stared into her...
  20. Rich R

    Trinity Belief and Born Again?

    It is said that one must believe in the trinity to get born again. Here are a few verses that tell us how to get saved: Acts 2:38, Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the...