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  1. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    Good point. I'll have to mull that over. I've done a minimal amount of research on what heaven meant to the Jews, enough to know that it's quite different than our modern Western view. I'll delve into it more thanks to your post. One of the big questions I have about the pre-existrance Jesus...
  2. Rich R

    Who is Jesus to a Non-Trinitarian?

    2 Peter 1:4 says nothing about "likeness." It says we share His divine nature. Jesus gave us the ability to do everything he did. In fact, he said we'd do greater works. John 14:12, Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater...
  3. Rich R

    Who is Jesus to a Non-Trinitarian?

    Instead of simply substituting the word "Jesus" for "Word" why not do some research on what "Word" really is? It is Greek word "logos." It's not hard to find that it is something in someone's mind, a plan if you will. When capitalized, we are led to believe "Word" refers to a person. It does...
  4. Rich R

    Who is Jesus to a Non-Trinitarian?

    No. I didn't mean to say Jesus wasn't divine. Nor would I say that that say all born again believers don't share in God's divinity. We do. 2 Pet 1:4, Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the...
  5. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    Why didn't God say, "Ha...I knew all along you would obey me" instead of, "Now I know..." If it were any other piece of literature, we would all know that by saying, "now I know..." clearly means that he didn't know before that. A man "knowing" a woman is an Ancient Near Eastern way of saying...
  6. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    Jesus, Manna, all good things. First of all, the word "ascending" is not the same word used in Acts 1:9 where Jesus went up into the clouds. Secondly, the whole chapter, indeed much of John, shows Jesus often talking if rather cryptic terms. The other Gospels are not like John at all in that...
  7. Rich R

    Who is Jesus to a Non-Trinitarian?

    For a man, tempted just like we are, to do what Jesus did is much bigger than God doing it. What would be the big deal for God to obey Himself and believe He'd raise Himself from the dead? How would you react if God asked you to do what Jesus did? And of course that would be after you led a life...
  8. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    Jesus said that he came from heaven, meaning that He came from God; God was his source. The Jews would not have taken Christ’s words to mean that he “incarnated” or was somehow God. It was a common use of language for them to say that something “came from heaven” if God were its source, and...
  9. Rich R

    Who is Jesus to a Non-Trinitarian?

    Very true. A close look at John 5:22 is revealing. It should be kept in mind when reading the other verse you quoted. John 5:22,(ERV) For neither doth the Father judge any man, but he hath given all judgment unto the Son; Since the Father gave judgment to the son I think we can conclude two...
  10. Rich R

    Who is Jesus to a Non-Trinitarian?

    I don't even understand why they think it so critical to our redemption that Jesus be God. Most staunch Trinitarians probably don't know either. You'd sure have to go outside the scriptures to come up with an answer. But whatever they came up with still wouldn't make sense. You just can't made a...
  11. Rich R

    Who is Jesus to a Non-Trinitarian?

    Good point!
  12. Rich R

    Who is Jesus to a Non-Trinitarian?

    Right. God has no interest in saving Pagans, so no point in trying to use goodness to lead them to repentance. Oh...wait, God does want Pagans to be saved. 1 Tim 2:4, Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. And it is goodness that God uses to lead the...
  13. Rich R

    Who is Jesus to a Non-Trinitarian?

    Maybe consider a course in diplomacy? As it is, I just see rage. Hard to take very seriously.
  14. Rich R

    Who is Jesus to a Non-Trinitarian?

    Well, I guess I believe you, but you didn't do a very good job of communicating that.
  15. Rich R

    Who is Jesus to a Non-Trinitarian?

    Who deserves the most honor? A man with free will, tempted just like you and I, who followed God's will to perfection, including a most horrendous death. would not deserve honor? He had to be YHWH to get that honor? Would God have had a choice to obey Himself or not? Would God have doubted that...
  16. Rich R

    Who is Jesus to a Non-Trinitarian?

    If you want some amusing reading, Google (or DuckDuckGo) the reasons that people give for why God waited 4,000 years before "assuming flesh" and coming down to save us. Never would occur to them that the reason it 4,000 years is that it took that long to convince enough free will people to...
  17. Rich R

    Who is Jesus to a Non-Trinitarian?

    Well, aren't you special! You can tolerate your neighbor even if they disagree with you. Very laudable! How about loving and giving of yourself to your neighbor instead of just getting along just fine. Of course that would only work if I followed your dictate to keep to myself. That sounds like...
  18. Rich R

    Who is Jesus to a Non-Trinitarian?

    Having the same father makes two sons brothers. It has nothing to do with what those sons believe. If I'm born again (I am) and you're born again (I'm guessing you are), then we are brothers.
  19. Rich R

    Who is Jesus to a Non-Trinitarian?

    I think there is a limit as to the allowed size of the posts (10,000 characters?). So there would be no way I could write enough to extol the greatness of Jesus. I'm not sure who you are talking about when you say LORD (all caps). In the OT KJV it means "YHWH" but I've not seen it used that way...
  20. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    Yes. Obviously, by nature we are all guilty thanks to Adam. We all have a sin nature and God certainly knows that. I was talking about individual sins that result from our sin nature. Those God does not know until we do or don't commit the actual act.