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  1. keithr

    Can the Soul Die?

    Thank you, I feel honoured! :) Yes, it's all too easy to be (or appear to be) impolite and aggessive on an Internet forum. And some of the popular subjects can have a lot of contributors, so that it can be difficult to keep up. I'm persevering because I want to learn new things from God's...
  2. keithr

    Can the Soul Die?

    However, the Scriptures say that only God is immortal (and Jesus too now) - see 1 Timothy 6 (WEB): 16) [God] who alone has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light; whom no man has seen, nor can see: to whom be honor and eternal power. Amen. Clearly Paul did not think the souls of humans...
  3. keithr

    Can the Soul Die?

    I know the feeling! There have been pages and pages of replies in this thread since I last checked yesterday, so when I "called your bluff" I hadn't read your later responses (it's taken me all morning to get this far!). Thank you. However, I asked because I don't believe the Bible (God's...
  4. keithr

    Can the Soul Die?

    The confusion is that places have been called hell when they are not - Tartarus is not Hades/hell. In Tartarus they were enchained by darkness - there was no light from flames. You're are confused. 2 Peter 2:4 says, "For if God didn’t spare angels when they sinned, but cast them down to...
  5. keithr

    Can the Soul Die?

    I presume you are referring to Mark 9:43-48. Jesus is there talking about Gehenna, not Hades/hell.
  6. keithr

    Can the Soul Die?

    1 Corinthians 15:26 (KJV): The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. Revelation 20:14 (KJV): And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. ... Death is destroyed - symbolically represented by being cast into a lake of fire (fire destroys). There wil be no more death. Hell is...
  7. keithr

    Can the Soul Die?

    Okay, I'll call your bluff! Where does it mention eternal separation from God in the Bible?
  8. keithr

    Can the Soul Die?

    This is another example of a poor translation. A better translation (e.g. WEB) says: For if God didn’t spare angels when they sinned, but cast them down to Tartarus, and committed them to pits of darkness to be reserved for judgment; This is the only place in the Bible that the word tartarus...
  9. keithr

    Can the Soul Die?

    More on the subject from Paul in 2 Corinthians 5 (WEB): 1) For we know that if the earthly house of our tent is dissolved, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal, in the heavens. 2) For most certainly in this we groan, longing to be clothed with our habitation which...
  10. keithr

    Can the Soul Die?

    Warning - slightly sick joke ahead ;): "They say there is safety in numbers. Tell that to the 6 million Jews!" - Ricky Gervais.
  11. keithr

    Can the Soul Die?

    I don't think the Bible clearly says that the soul is immortal! (Ezekiel 18:4) Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine. The soul who sins, he shall die. (Ezekiel 18:20) The soul who sins, he shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of...
  12. keithr

    Can the Soul Die?

    Matthew 25:46 says "eternal punishment" in all of the translations that I have, where "punishment" is translated from the Greek word kolasis, which comes from kolos, which means 'restrain, chastise, correct, punish'. According to the Online Bible Greek Lexicon kolasis means 'correction...
  13. keithr

    Can the Soul Die?

    That eternal punishment is eternal death. The righteous will have "eternal life" - the unrighteous won't have eternal life. Romans 6:23 (WEB): For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. John 3:16 (WEB): For God so loved the world, that...
  14. keithr

    Matthew 28:19 – Trinity corrupted verse

    How do Trinity believers understand Romans 8:29 (WEB)?: For whom he foreknew, he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. Or, as the REB translates it: For those whom God knew before ever they were, he also ordained to share...
  15. keithr

    Matthew 28:19 – Trinity corrupted verse

    You've got your facts wrong. A 14th century Jew never claimed anything. He merely published a complete copy of the Hebrew Gospel of Matthew. In 1987 that was translated into English, and that reveals the original version of Mat. 28:19. Nobody was claiming anything, nor saying that the...
  16. keithr

    Matthew 28:19 – Trinity corrupted verse

    Also with respect, I don't see the connection. Mat. 24:14 doesn't say anything about teaching and baptising people, it just says that the good news about the Kingdom will be proclaimed in all nations as a witness to all the nations. I don't believe that Jesus would tell his disciples to "Go...
  17. keithr

    Matthew 28:19 – Trinity corrupted verse

    I'm not participating in this thread any more, but if you want to respond then see posts #419 and #420.
  18. keithr

    Why Fast?

    Well quoted. About 25 years ago I struggled to understand fasting, and nobody could explain it to me in a way that made any logical sense to me. Then one evening we had a small Bible study in my home, led by a pastor from the church that I eventually started attending. Afterwards, while...
  19. keithr

    Matthew 28:19 – Trinity corrupted verse

    I guess you forgot about this?
  20. keithr

    Matthew 28:19 – Trinity corrupted verse

    (Matthew 7:21-23) Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven; but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will tell me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in your name, in your name cast out demons, and in your name do many mighty...