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  1. keithr

    The First Resurrection

    Revelation 20:4 (WEB): I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus, and for the word of God, and such as didn’t worship the beast nor his image, and didn’t receive the mark on their forehead and on...
  2. keithr

    The First Resurrection

    They're usually presumed to be Elijah and Moses because of the miracluous things mentioned in verses 5 and 6, which are similar to that performed by them, and also because the two of them appeared together in the transfiguration: 11:5) If anyone desires to harm them, fire proceeds out of their...
  3. keithr

    The First Resurrection

    I think what is confusing you is that you think that the two witnesses are Christians, and members of the body of Christ. If they are Moses and Elijah, which most people agree that they are, then they are Old Testament prophets, not Christians. Their resurrection comes later and will be as...
  4. keithr

    The First Resurrection

    Yes, I'd agree with that. It would be helpful if you did specify verse numbers (it's what verse numbers were invented for, to help people more quickly find the parts of the Bible that they are discussing). It's not doing all of the work, just making it easier. For example you referenced Matt...
  5. keithr

    The First Resurrection

    The word “rapture” is taken from the Latin word “rapio” that is a translation of the Greek word harpazō, used in 1 Thess 4:17, which in most English Bibles is translated to the two words “caught up”. That's not correct. The rapture of the church occurs immediately after the resurrection of the...
  6. keithr

    The Only True God, the God of Jesus Christ.

    What kind of argument/logic is that?! The whole Bible never says that Moses was not God, but that doesn't mean/prove that Moses was God, and neither does the lack of any verse saying that Jesus was not God mean that he was God! On the other hand, there is also a lack of any verse saying that...
  7. keithr

    Proof that Jesus is God

    I'm surprised none of the Trinitarians have yet put forward this verse: Titus 2:13 (WEB): looking for the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ;
  8. keithr

    Proof that Jesus is God

    Why all the vitriol? :eek: Please stick to a civilised discussion. The verse after the one you quoted above says, "but speaking truth in love, we may grow up in all things into him, who is the head, Christ" (Eph 4:15). Consider Paul's othere words: Gal 1:8) But even though we, or an angel...
  9. keithr

    Proof that Jesus is God

    Remeber your favourite verse, John 1:1 - Jesus was with God in the beginning, and Jesus did the creating. So in Gen 1:26 when God said, “Let’s make man in our image, after our likeness”, and all the other "God said, “Let ...”", that was God giving instructions to His son, Jesus. Nice and...
  10. keithr

    Proof that Jesus is God

    Right! God's son was with God in the beginning of God's creation, and God's son (Jesus, the Word) did the creating. Seems quite obvious to me that the "beginning" was referring to the beginning of God's creation.
  11. keithr

    Proof that Jesus is God

    Hmm, what's that in the left column?
  12. keithr

    Proof that Jesus is God

    "The definition of begotten means something created something else or someone fathered a child" - from Begotten Meaning | Best 3 Definitions of Begotten. To beget, apart from meaning to be the father of, can mean "To cause to exist or occur; produce" - from Beget Meaning | Best 8 Definitions of...
  13. keithr

    Proof that Jesus is God

    And you believe the error of the Jews rather than believing Jesus? Believe Jesus' reply! 34) Jesus answered them, “Isn’t it written in your law, ‘I said, you are gods?’ 35) If he called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture can’t be broken), 36) do you say of him whom...
  14. keithr

    Proof that Jesus is God

    What make you say that it's not the same beginning? "Eternity past" is not a beginning. What is this beginning referring to if not the beginning of God's creation? The copy of the Diaglott that I have (1865, downloaded from onlinebible.net) reads, "In a beginning was the Word, and the Word...
  15. keithr

    Proof that Jesus is God

    I have never written a Bible translation. The translations that I have copies of do have John the Baptist saying the opposite of that. What's your point?
  16. keithr

    Proof that Jesus is God

    Romans 8:3 (WEB): For what the law couldn’t do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God did, sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh; The human body that God gave Jesus was in the "likeness" of sinful flesh, but it was not sinful flesh...
  17. keithr

    Proof that Jesus is God

    Err, I think that reference should be verse 18: (1Pe 3:8) Finally, be all like-minded, compassionate, loving as brothers, tender hearted, courteous, (1Pe 3:18) Because Christ also suffered for sins once, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring you to God; being put to death in...
  18. keithr

    Proof that Jesus is God

    1769: "and the Word was God" - KJV Written by believers in the Trinity. Biased translation.
  19. keithr

    Proof that Jesus is God

    It does not say in Philipians 2 that Jesus was "from eternity" in the form of God. John 1:1 says he was in the form of God "in the beginning", which is not from eternity - it is the beginning of God's creation. The angel is refering to God (Yahweh, our Father). This is now Jesus speaking...
  20. keithr

    Proof that Jesus is God

    Unfallen.