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  1. keithr

    The First Resurrection

    1 Corinthians 15:50 (WEB): Now I say this, brothers, that flesh and blood can’t inherit God’s Kingdom; neither does the perishable inherit imperishable. Flesh and blood cannot exist in heaven, for heaven exists in dimensions which physical beings don't have access to. This is why spriit beings...
  2. keithr

    The First Resurrection

    18) knowing that you were redeemed, not with corruptible things, with silver or gold, from the useless way of life handed down from your fathers, 19) but with precious blood, as of a lamb without blemish or spot, the blood of Christ; (ASV) 23) having been begotten again, not of corruptible...
  3. keithr

    The Only True God, the God of Jesus Christ.

    The Cambridge Bible notes for John 3:13 says: which is in heaven] These words are omitted in the best MSS. If they are retained, the meaning is ‘Whose proper home is heaven.’ Or the Greek participle may be the imperfect tense (comp. Joh_6:62, Joh_9:25, Joh_17:5), which was in heaven before the...
  4. keithr

    The First Resurrection

    Where's the Scriptual evidence to back up your claim? I can't find any references to being filled with blood or of having Jesus' blood flowing through us. The only passage I'm aware of which talks of drinking Jesus' blood is John 6, when Jesus said we should eat his flesh too: 47) Most...
  5. keithr

    The First Resurrection

    Hebrews 9:22 (ESV): Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins. So to be washed in the blood of the Lamb means that their sins have been forgiven and they have been cleansed and purified. It does not imply...
  6. keithr

    The Only True God, the God of Jesus Christ.

    Job 1:4 (WEB): His sons went and held a feast in the house of each one on his birthday; and they sent and called for their three sisters to eat and to drink with them. The NIV also translates it as birthday. However, they're the only two translations that I could find that translate it that...
  7. keithr

    The First Resurrection

    Here are some clues from the Old Testament that the church does not go through the Great Tribulation, i.e. the rapture is pre-tribulation. Isaiah 26: 19) Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of...
  8. keithr

    The First Resurrection

    Well, in Revelation 5:6 Jesus is described differently - "I saw in the middle of the throne and of the four living creatures, and in the middle of the elders, a Lamb standing, as though it had been slain, having seven horns, and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God, sent out into all...
  9. keithr

    The First Resurrection

    Before this verse, note the beginning of the chapter: 1) I saw, and behold, the Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with him a number, one hundred forty-four thousand, having his name, and the name of his Father, written on their foreheads. 2) I heard a sound from heaven, like the sound of many...
  10. keithr

    The First Resurrection

    They are not "human spirit beings", they are human beings who are resurrected as spirit beings, similar to the angels. Just because John describes them in his vision as people in heaven that doesn't mean that they will be in human form in heaven. The vision was just a way of helping John and...
  11. keithr

    The First Resurrection

    However, Paul taught in 2 Timothy 2 (Darby): 1) Now, brothers, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and our gathering together to him [first resurrection and rapture], we ask you 2) not to be quickly shaken in your mind, and not be troubled, either by spirit, or by word, or by...
  12. keithr

    The First Resurrection

    Don't get hung up on the number of elders and thrones - it's symbolic (David organised the priests into 24 courses in 1 Chronicles 24). There will be more then 24 people in the body of Christ! John didn't undergo any changes or time travel - he was seeing visions (or dreams). Chapter 4 starts...
  13. keithr

    The First Resurrection

    No, I was referring to the same people. To put it another way: The only humans that have a chance of a change of nature to the divine immortal nature, are Christians who live before the first resurrection and rapture. No other humans or spirit beings will have that opportunity. The only...
  14. keithr

    The First Resurrection

    I'd agree with that. I've never referred to the church as the Gentile Church, i've always just said the church or Christians. All of the early Christians were Jews (as was Jesus!). Only those believers who believe before the first resurrection (and rapture) takes place are promised that they...
  15. keithr

    The First Resurrection

    I'm sorry but I've not been able to spend much/any time in this forum recently. I've missed a couple of days and there have been about 60 replies in that time, so I'm struggling to keep up with the discussion! I thought I had answered your question with my previous reply, i.e. I said, "The...
  16. keithr

    The First Resurrection

    Yes, that's right, I tried to prove it by showing that the first resurrection had already taken place, so the second group, that lived on earth after the resurrection had taken place, could not have had a part in it. The Book of Revelation describes events unfolding in the future, in roughly...
  17. keithr

    The First Resurrection

    Jesus also talked about the rapture: Mat 24:39) ... so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Mat 24:40) Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and one will be left. Mat 24:41) Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and one will be left. Mat 24:42) Watch...
  18. keithr

    The First Resurrection

    Don't forget that the rapture of the church has occurred. That will be very convincing to a lot of people, but it will be too late - they will have missed the bus (opportunity)! The time of the Gentiles will have ended at the rapture; then the Jews will believe that Jesus is the Messiah: Luke...
  19. keithr

    The First Resurrection

    You seem to have missed out a bit from verse 4, the bit that says, "and such as didn’t worship the beast nor his image, and didn’t receive the mark on their forehead and on their hand". That identifies them with having lived during the great tribulation, so there are two groups of people being...
  20. keithr

    The First Resurrection

    God never breaks His promises. He promised that He would restore the nation of Israel, and bring the Jews back to it from all the nations where they were scattered. He kept that promise, with the nation of Israel being established in its homeland in 1948, and with Jews still returning to it...