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  1. Rich R

    Was Jesus a mere man?

    I understand that to be the Orthodox doctrine. I wasn't trying to say it was right or wrong. What I did say is that those who believe Jesus is the son of God and not God the son doesn't mean they think he was a mere man. Quite the opposite. For a man, tempted just like you and shares the same...
  2. Rich R

    Was Jesus a mere man?

    Well, I didn't deny the divinity of Christ. It's the very same divinity we all share. 2 Pet 1:4, Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. I'm...
  3. Rich R

    Who has the authority…

    Well, I didn't find it necessary to interpret anything you said in your Post. It's a good Post. Interpretation means to make clear. Since everything you wrote is already quite clear, it was not necessary to interpret anything. I just read what you wrote and the meaning is very clear. I'd say...
  4. Rich R

    Was Jesus a mere man?

    Think about that for a moment. What was the purpose of a priest? A priest acted as a mediator between God and man. 1Tim 2:5, For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; If Jesus were God, that would mean God is a mediator between God and man. That would...
  5. Rich R

    Was Jesus a mere man?

    Sure I can speak with Jesus. Why not? He was dead, but God raised him from among the dead. He is alive and well, sitting on the right hand of God (Heb 10:12), and in me (Col 1:27). He has a new improved body though. It's no longer subject to death. He did some pretty neat things in his new body...
  6. Rich R

    Was Jesus a mere man?

    Paul was clear in saying that many false teachers were coming on the scene. He even said that everybody in Asian had turned against them. He said the time is coming when nobody will endure sound doctrine. He named several names. In general, it appears the early church was in shambles even before...
  7. Rich R

    Was Jesus a mere man?

    Yes, yes, and yes! It's so simple if we take Jesus to be the son of God, period, end of story. No need to add God the Son. All that does is take the greatest story ever told and make it into an incomprehensible mess. Hmmm...God always obeyed Himself. And, wow, He even believed He's raise...
  8. Rich R

    Paul or Athenasius - Who Speaks the Truth?

    No, I'm not JW. I think I'm not that much different than yourself. Yes on the two kinds of tongues. One is for our private prayer lives. But if we speak in tongues in a group, it should be interpreted. Otherwise, as Paul said, the speaker still gets edified, but it does nothing for those...
  9. Rich R

    Paul or Athenasius - Who Speaks the Truth?

    I answered that in another post. You should get it soon. Our letters crossed in the mail. :)
  10. Rich R

    Paul or Athenasius - Who Speaks the Truth?

    Yes, how one acts is the key. Good point. I believe 1 Corinthians 8:6: 1 Cor 8:6, But to us [there is but] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom [are] all things, and we by him. I believe the one God is the Father. Jesus is not my...
  11. Rich R

    Paul or Athenasius - Who Speaks the Truth?

    I was hoping to discuss the scriptures. I don't want to make it about me or you. God knows what Romans 10:9-10 does for me and that's good enough. Nobody else needs to know. To avoid a question, one must first be asked the question. If you did ask it, I'm sorry, but I missed it. In any case, I...
  12. Rich R

    Paul or Athenasius - Who Speaks the Truth?

    OK we'll carry the analogy further. "Bill went to the store. He bought dog food and took it home. His wife, Jane, then gave the food to their two dogs. They ate it up in less than five minutes. Jane then washed the bowls, dried them and put them away." I hope that's enough to show I could go on...
  13. Rich R

    Paul or Athenasius - Who Speaks the Truth?

    Well, Paul wrote the scripture alright. Athenasius then added to it something Paul did not say. Romans 10:9-10 is an incredibly simple, straight forward formula to get born again. There is no way around it. There's no more need to "interpret" it than if I were to say, "Bill went to the store."...
  14. Rich R

    The Problem with 2 Peter 1:1

    As a matter of fact, I don't see anything in 1 Corinthians 2:10-13 that can't be taken in a literal sense. What I don't see as literal is that a man and a woman are actually one flesh. I don't think everything is a figure of speech, just those parts that fit the definition of a figure of speech...
  15. Rich R

    The Problem with 2 Peter 1:1

    Virtually all scholars agree that Matthew 29:19 was not in the original text. But even if it were, there is no record that any the Apostles followed that formula. There are several accounts of people getting baptized in the book of Acts and they all say the baptism was done in the name of Jesus...
  16. Rich R

    The Problem with 2 Peter 1:1

    Well, I'm married to a wonderful woman, and I know for a fact she is NOT actually me, (good thing for her :)), so I know it can't be taken literally. In normal writing, when something can't be taken literally, it is probably a figure of speech. A figure of speech is a legitimate tool of grammar...
  17. Rich R

    The Problem with 2 Peter 1:1

    I know you wrote a lot more, but I'll just address this for now, since it is a common idea that we can't understand God. 1Cor 2:16, For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ. Phil 2:5, Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ...
  18. Rich R

    The Problem with 2 Peter 1:1

    It depends on the concept. When a word has to be used to explain a concept that is quite impossible (a son being his own father), then the concept itself is highly suspect. At least to me it is. What exactly is this essence anyway? Do people have essences? Why can't you and I share the same...
  19. Rich R

    The Problem with 2 Peter 1:1

    I stand corrected. It's funny I forgot God in the equation since He is the only one that faithfully carries out His part in the relationship. Thanks for the correction!
  20. Rich R

    The Problem with 2 Peter 1:1

    No offense taken my friend. Still it seems odd that God did not have the vocabulary to make clear what one must do to be saved. I'm pretty sure He has the word "essence" in His vocabulary. If He had wanted to say three persons are one essence. He could have. But He didn't. The word "essence" is...