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  1. GracePeace

    No Condemnation For Those In Christ, But... Sinning Believers Are Condemned Ro 14:23?

    Are you saying you agree or disagree--or, specifically, why you agree or disagree.
  2. GracePeace

    No Condemnation For Those In Christ, But... Sinning Believers Are Condemned Ro 14:23?

    Yeah, and? The children are warned to abide in Him or else they will not have confidence (confidence is from obeying God's commands) and will shrink back in shame at His appearance. What happens then? They are thrown in the fire--as Heb 10:38,39 says "My Righteous one will live by faith but if...
  3. GracePeace

    No Condemnation For Those In Christ, But... Sinning Believers Are Condemned Ro 14:23?

    The issue is that if he acknowledges that belief is a commandment (1 Jn 3:23,24), then he'll have to admit that remaining in Christ is by obeying commands--and that that handily explains why there is no condemnation for those in Christ but the believer who sins in Romans 14:23 is condemned...
  4. GracePeace

    No Condemnation For Those In Christ, But... Sinning Believers Are Condemned Ro 14:23?

    You were the one who raised the topic of "Apollos".
  5. GracePeace

    No Condemnation For Those In Christ, But... Sinning Believers Are Condemned Ro 14:23?

    Before, you argued that the "children" referred to in 1 Jn 2:28 weren't really believers. Now, you accept, seemingly, that they are believers, but you deny the command "remain" means anything with respect to whether there is a contingency (there clearly is). John didn't say "get into Christ"...
  6. GracePeace

    No Condemnation For Those In Christ, But... Sinning Believers Are Condemned Ro 14:23?

    1. Ro 7 shows a man was "without strength" getting pummeled by sin, bc it overpowered him qnd made him act sins contrary to the law of his mind That he called "slavery"--there is no choice. Now that we are rescued from slavery, there is a choice--we know this based on 1 Co 10. The Jews were...
  7. GracePeace

    No Condemnation For Those In Christ, But... Sinning Believers Are Condemned Ro 14:23?

    Nope, the command to "remain" is repeated to the spiritually immature disciples, branches, the "children". Commands aren't given for automatic occurrences. They're given where there're CONTINGENCIES. Yeah, "if you keep God's commands". Nope, that verse says God is glorified when you bear much...
  8. GracePeace

    No Condemnation For Those In Christ, But... Sinning Believers Are Condemned Ro 14:23?

    False teachers were present even in the 1st generation, so I'm not saying "Whatever the Early Church says is immutable", but isn't it interesting that none of them interpreted Scripture in such a way as to arrive at Monergism or general eternal Security? Just meant it as a quick comment, not to...
  9. GracePeace

    No Condemnation For Those In Christ, But... Sinning Believers Are Condemned Ro 14:23?

    What do you mean by "observance of the Mosaic Law"?
  10. GracePeace

    No Condemnation For Those In Christ, But... Sinning Believers Are Condemned Ro 14:23?

    Their "ideas" were held by no one in the early church--that's why they can't prove their beliefs from Scripture, as evinced in this thread.
  11. GracePeace

    No Condemnation For Those In Christ, But... Sinning Believers Are Condemned Ro 14:23?

    I only said I want to follow Scripture, not just mindlessly follow people just because they have varying measures of grace due to what they believe (without what they believe having complete coherence)--you raised the issue of the distinctions about Arminianism, etc.
  12. GracePeace

    No Condemnation For Those In Christ, But... Sinning Believers Are Condemned Ro 14:23?

    1 John 3:23,24 says the Command of God is to believe in the Name of God's Son. When a command is given, what corresponds to it is obedience or disobedience. Accordingly, Galatians 5:7 describes faith as "obeying the truth". Accordingly, Ro 1:5 says "obedience of faith". Ro 3:27 says "the Law of...
  13. GracePeace

    No Condemnation For Those In Christ, But... Sinning Believers Are Condemned Ro 14:23?

    So, before, "oh, no, these 'children' are not believers at all", but, now, after I proved they were believers, "oh, no, just because they're told to do something doesn't mean they have a choice"--you really are funny.
  14. GracePeace

    No Condemnation For Those In Christ, But... Sinning Believers Are Condemned Ro 14:23?

    You said : I said : You said : I said : So, just because we're saved from slavery to sin doesn't mean we can't sin. Romans 7 described the life of a Jew in the flesh and under the Law. 1. "when we were in the flesh" : i. "we" : he's speaking to and about Jewish Christians (Ro 7:1) before...
  15. GracePeace

    No Condemnation For Those In Christ, But... Sinning Believers Are Condemned Ro 14:23?

    The branches, disciples, are told to abide--and, if not, they don't receive substance from the Vine, Jesus (the Spirit, eternal life, is in Jesus (1 Jn 3:23,24, 5:11)), so they don't bear fruit, and will eventually be thrown in the fire, and "'My Righteous one will live by faith, but if [My...
  16. GracePeace

    No Condemnation For Those In Christ, But... Sinning Believers Are Condemned Ro 14:23?

    Reread what I said. I denied that the saved were slaves. You're not reading carefully.
  17. GracePeace

    No Condemnation For Those In Christ, But... Sinning Believers Are Condemned Ro 14:23?

    Nope. Or else the children wouldn't be warned to abide.
  18. GracePeace

    No Condemnation For Those In Christ, But... Sinning Believers Are Condemned Ro 14:23?

    No, after David sinned with Bathsheba, he cried "don't take Your Spirit sway", and Paul says the same, "He who disregards this [prohibition on immorality] disregards not man but God Who gives you His spirit". Clearly, it's a threat that if you don't keep God's Word about immorality, He will stop...