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No, salvation was typed by the Jews' deliverance from Egypt (1 Co 10)--Jesus is "our Passover Lamb". Egypt was called "the house of bondage", where they were slaves to sin. Being a slave to sin is a condition where there was no choice but to sin (eg, Ro 7), but that doesn't mean people cannot...

I don't want to address this because everyone has an opinion, which will invite lots of discussion, and I'm trying to have a different discussion.

I don't want to go down this rabbit trail

No, that's not the picture or the language in john 15. Abiding is CONTINGENT on keeping His Word and commands, and branches that don't abide get thrown in the fire.

@CadyandZoe Irrespective whether you want to quibble about "in Him is no sin", etc, we can known that we abide in Him by keeping His commands (Jn 15:5-10; 1 Jn 3:23,24).

You believe in eternal security? LOL Surprise.

And we've been through all my responses to these claims, and you've come up short in terms of answers. You are not of assistance in the matter, because, the way I see it, I'm believing ALL Scripture, whereas you are highlighting a couple of your favorite verses as your entire religion. Your way...

Well, see, that's part of the discussion--these and many other particulars, but always based on Scriptures, have had to be hashed out.

When people read the Bible, and they see that there must be good works after God's mercy (eg, "bear fruit in keeping with repentance"), and that this is not guaranteed, then questions come, because it seems contradictory, so there have had to be solutions.

The characterization, the tenor, of keeping the Law of Faith (ie, "each man is to be fully convinced in his own mind") is "giving thanks" (Ro 14:6; Heb 13:15)--if it is not "giving thanks", then something is deadly wrong.

These people we're talking with (Behold, CadyandZoe, EternallyGrateful, MailManDan, etc) know God, and, (some moreso than others) many times, they mean well, but this discussion is, for me, all about being in exact keeping with everything that is written... and, yes, it is taking a long time...

So, there is a problem : according to John 15:5-10 and 1 Jn 3:23,24, we abide in Him by keeping His commands (i. believe in the Name of God's Son, and ii. love one another)--seemingly offering the only satisfactory explanation for how the one who sins "is condemned" (Ro 14:23), yet "no...

I had pointed out that not all remain, because John, addressing the "children", commanded them to "remain"--if it happens automatically, and nothing other than that has a possibility of occurring, then there would be no need for a command--and your response was to attempt to redefine "children"...

Why would it be "burying the lede" for me to point out that you already admitted that some who are in Christ sin sins unto death that separate them from Christ?

No, you said there is a difference between sins, and some who are in Christ sin sins unto death (eternal life is knowing God, so sinning unto death would be to interrupt fellowship). It seems you admitted the same. Yes, that is obeying the first part of the Command to believe in the Name of...

1. Paul couldn't figure out whar Apollos could've been baptized into, because for him it was synonymous, at that point, with being baptized in the Name of Jesus for the remission of sins and receiving the Holy Spirit, so, it turned out that that message had not yet reached Apollos, but he had...

So, now we agree that there are some who abide in Christ who cease to abide, and that it's because they go away to chase sin? 1. I want to come back to this in a bit because it is a good objection, which may assist in arriving at a better understanding for me, but I have a couple things to do...

Not sure which part isn't clear. Paul sought to bring about the obedience of faith (Ro 1:5).

I laughed bc it seemed comical that you would have an issue seeing the debt referred to as sin... and sinners go to torment.