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kepha, There is not one piece of documentation on that Orthodox Church website to support the truth of this statement. It is nothing more than an Orthodox assertion without historical proof. Oz

Stan, I need your help to see how Matt 7:7-11 relates to depravity or non-depravity. Am I missing something? Who are the 'some humans' who are 'totally depraved'. Where does Scripture support that idea? Oz

Well stated! :good_idea:

You are the one who doesn't believe there is an LXX. I do and I've provided some research evidence. But you don't believe in the authenticity of the Septuagint. Evidence of the existence of the oldest copy of the LXX was provided by kepha in #43 but you don't want to accept that. You are the...

Stranger, That's baloney, bunkum, nonsense! It's a lie. I have never ever written that. Please repent of your lies against me with this false statement.

Truth is 'Stranger' than fiction! I note a couple of things in your post: (1) You are selective in what you quote from resources. Take this one example from Geisler & Nix which you quoted. I happen to have a hard copy of this excellent book in my library, but mine is a 1986 edition and your...

Those nuances, as I understand them, tend to be related more to the application, i.e. penetrating total depravity with the Gospel and the human being's ability or inability to respond to the Gospel when preached or shared. The problem of inferences could be related to the fact I've only given...

You are ducking and weaving again. I asked you to provide documented evidence that the Letter of Aristeas is a fraud. No evidence came from you, so I'll left with the conclusion that you don't want to provide that evidence. What a joke that you want to charge me with not knowing of the Letter...

Please provide documented evidence that the letter of Aristeas is a fraud. All I have is your assertion, which carries no research weight. I provided you with the documentation from Irenaeus that the church of his time was using the Greek translation by the 70. This is what we know at the LXX...

Let's check out which really is the lie - the existence of the LXX or no LXX. I'm aware of websites that promote conspiracy theories such as, 'Septuagint Fraud: LXX Hoax EXPOSED'. However, the International Standard Bible Encyclopedia's well researched article on the 'Septuagint' refutes your...

Do you really believe what you wrote? 'There is no proof that the Septuagint was translated 200 years before Christ. There is no proof that there was a Septuagint'?

In the OP, I provided you with 2 prominent explanations in support of total depravity of all human beings - the Calvinistic and Arminian theologies. I did not give my biblical explanation. If your view is correct, then what's the point of the parable of the good Samaritan?

Since you believe in 'partial depravity', why don't you defend it biblically? I saw not one Scripture in this post to support your position. A Pelagian is a follower of Pelagius (ca. AD 260-340) who was a British monk and theologian, described by Jerome as ‘weighed down with the porridge of the...

Those are excellent verses to demonstrate that all human beings are sinful but they don't demonstrate that all human beings are totally depraved as in the sense defined in the OP.

Stan, I've started the topic, 'Total Depravity: Is it biblical?' I don't know if you and others are interested in this discussion. Oz

Wormwood, You are not dealing with the issue I raised. Arminius, Calvinists and the Remonstrants, i.e. Classical/Reformed Arminianism, all agreed with the doctrine of total depravity. I made it clear that I was referring to Classical Arminianism. You have moved to another topic of how people...

This is a continuation of Stan's topic of T.U.L.I.P. What do Calvinists believe about Total Depravity? The Center for Reformed Theology and Apologetics, in its explanation of TULIP, stated: Total Depravity (Total Inability) Total Depravity is probably the most misunderstood tenet of...

Stan, I've come to this topic late. Why don't we start 5 threads where we try to address these 5 points of Calvinism (and their parallel points in Arminianism)? I'll start a thread on Total Depravity and the statements given by both Calvinism and Arminianism. Then we'll try to pursue in...

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And I'm not giving you lessons on this forum on figures of speech!