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Did I say I don't see the parable? No I didn't! I just don't agree with you. Do not misquote me. I don't put up with that. Do it again and I won't bother with you.

Hmmm.... Interesting and yes he did. I don't think that 8 of the remaining were not chosen. One wasn't in any sense. But only 3 were chosen for that particular task. Interesting sidenote is that in a sense, they failed! They fell asleep! I think it was however, just another impotant lesson.

It is... Thanks to Charlie Manson and Jim Jones it has become a slur.

From what I have read, it wasn't orthodox at the time. He approved of the Catholic Church but disliked Popes.

Romans 4-8 is set up by Romans 1-3. 4-8 doesn't have the same impact without it. Romans 9-16 tells us many things like what to do with the gift. Hebrews also is a great book. 9 -12 are my favorites, but again, the set up is important as is the conclusion. Maybe you can look at proverbs and...

Well, if anyone cares I'd like to give my analysis. Sword... Yea you did come off as abrasive. Do you seriously not see the abrasiveness in that? I kind of get what you are saying. But then again, is this topic so stupid that it should not be discussed? Ive seen worse! Someone wanted to...

I absolutely agree with your analysis on John Calvin. But does that alone make Calvinism a cult when much of its tenets weren't preached by John himself? I have a mind to vote yes because his followers perverted what he taught.

Well, like I said... Many are called, few are chosen. We are to be instant in season and out of season. But I don't see it as a parable that says we can lose our salvation. It shows that some are called but not all are chosen. I simply can't isolate this parable from the rest of the Bible.

A lot of peoole cannot see it. Especially when they have it. I mysekf might be guilty.

Great testimony! Love Colossians too. Eph 1 and 2 are real special, but my favorites are Romans 4 through 8. It really is tough to pick out favorites. I also spent a large amount of time in II Peter. Great stuff.

Well, many are called but few are chosen. Not all are called. Many are. But not all. Of those that are called, few are chosen. Have you considered that John said that those that leave us were never really of us? If they were of us, they would've continued with us?

Its really no big deal. Its interesting to hear where people are camping out in their studies. Sword is in Eph 2... Great chapter... He just made a boo boo. I just got done studying Psalms 46 and 47.

M Don't know why Sword responded so harshly. I didn't particularly like the initial post, but I hope you understand why after reading my post. Hope you stick around a bit and I once only had 3 posts as well!

Huh? John was 46? Who was John and how do you know he was 46? Do you mean Joseph? If so I presume you may have gotten that from the Gospel according to James. If so, I don't even believe that is anything more than fiction. Is that in the Talmud? If so it peaks my interest.

I haven't voted yet and don't know how I will. But I want to put forth 2 points: 1. What exactly is a "cult"? According to Merriam Webster: : formal religious veneration : worship a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents a religion regarded as unorthodox or...

I suspect she wasn't bwcause of human physiology. That's the time when women tend to stop being able to have babies. Liz had a miracle birth. Doesn't mean Mary was that old. Doesn't mean ahe wasn't.

Bible doesn't say. Nor do I care. Some say she was 12-14. I suspect she wasn't 45-50.

Is God arrogant? I'd say at times by our standards he is. But, he's God. So when he tod his apostles and prophets what to say, they came off as arrogent. Peter, John and especially Paul pulled it off brilliantly. There is no reason for a Chtlristian to be arrogant. Confident? Yes. Bold...

Thanks. It hard to post it, because I don't understand things. But I trust. God.

I am a firm believer that grace covers all sins of the flesh. That is what I get when i read the entire NT and not just a few cherry picked verses. And I muat admit that I don't like it nor understand it. Kind of... When I say grace covers all sins of the flesh, folks tend to scrape the...