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The Protestants attempt to defend their rejection of the deuterocanonicals on the ground that the early Jews rejected them. However, the Jewish councils that rejected them (e.g., School of Javneh (also called “Jamnia” in 90 - 100 A.D.) were the same councils that rejected the entire New...

If you are going to ascribe the doctrine against hell to other church fathers, at least extend to us the courtesy of providing links (with references to chapter and verse) of the quotes you give. Karl Barth is neo-orthodox Karl Rahner was a mystical theologian; Hans von Balthasar was an...

Phoneman, You have not provided any references or attributions to any of your statements here. Therefore, I am left to understand them as your own assertions and carrying no more weight than individual opinion. I urge you to provide evidence with attribution when you make these kinds of...

junobet, I'm in good company with eminent early church father, St Augustine. In City of God, he wrote: St Augustine continues concerning eternal life and eternal punishment and one of the passages we are discussing, Matt 25:46 (ESV): Human perceptions are hard to take in light of the reality...

hereto, I urge you not to use this mixture of genetic and ad hominem fallacies. It does not deal with the issues raised by Mungo. It would be courteous and more profitable, IMO, to deal with the content of what this person writes instead of getting into name calling, etc. Oz

Tom, There was no need to tell the Christians of the first century. They knew which books were in and not in the OT canon. That's why Paul could say to the Berean Christians in Acts 17:11 (ESV): 'Now these Jews were more noble than those in Thessalonica; they received the word with all...

Stranger, You say that God placed the Tree of Life in the Garden. Yes, there is 'the tree of life', but there also is 'the tree of the knowledge of good and evil' in the first place (Gen 2:9 ESV). I don't think Gen 3:22-24 (ESV) proves what you want it to prove. We know from the rest of...

Angelina, Your OP was 'What do you think would have happened if ... Adam and Eve did not sin... :embarrassed-smiley53: would we still be in Eden???' I do not consider we can answer that question as God has not provided the information. It's fallacious reasoning in arguing from silence. Your...

Nowhere have I ever stated that I support Dispensationalism. Nowhere! Do you get it? :wub:

Nope, being tormented for neverending time or being tormented for a timeless eternal “now” sounds equally horrid to me. Christian compassion forbids that I like either idea. junobet, That's your frail human reasoning speaking, mixed with some emotional essence - with limited insight. God has...

Stranger, Do you know what an argument from silence is? It's a logical fallacy. We have no evidence for discussing such a proposition from Scripture, to my knowledge. Do you know of any place in Scripture where God tells us what would have happened if the first parents had not sinned? Oz

I suggest you do a study on God's attributes of eternity and infinity. Psalm 90:2 (ESV) encapsulates some dimensions of these attributes: 'Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever you had formed the earth and the world, from everlasting to everlasting you are God'. I plan on...

kerwin, Take the word, 'dictionary' and its meaning in Oxford Dictionaries (s v dictionary). It has one main meaning and 2 sub-points that are related to the main point, #1. The sub-points would have no meaning without the main meaning. There is no ambiguity here or multiple different meanings...

Juno, Perhaps this severely disabled man can give us insight into living forever: 'Love Without Limits - with Nick Vujicic'. Oz

Juno, That's not the case. This is what Dr A T Robertson wrote in his exegesis of Matt 25:46 (ESV), Robertson confirmed that aiwnios means without beginning or without end and 'comes as near to the idea of eternal as the Greek can put it in one word'. That's not ambiguous. Oz

So 'most human words are ambiguous and it is a good thing'. So is that the way you want me to understand all of the words in this post of yours? They are all ambiguous! There's no point in responding to anything you write if that is the case. Don't you understand the self-defeating nature of...

Scalia was talking about 'age discrimination' not 'ethnic discrimination' as you state here. I've thought about this 'age discrimination' (after this week completing a 15-page submission against abortion to the government here in Queensland) and that is what abortion is. We would not allow...

kerwin, Whatever you want aiwnios to mean, this we know from Matt 25:46 (ESV) that the length of time in hell is the same as the length of time in heaven. I consider that hell/Hades/Gehenna are real and this will be a conscious, frightful place. But I can’t conclude about its exact nature for...

juno, That's an unhelpful link as I didn't find it taking me to an explanation of the ambiguity of aiwnios. Leading NT Greek grammarian of the 20th century, Dr A T Robertson, was able to translate aiwnios without ambiguity: So hell is as eternal as heaven is eternal. No ambiguity there! Same...

My interpretation is based on exegesis of the Greek text. You don't like that so you give this idiosyncratic imposition on Jude 12-13 that you give here. I care more about what the text says than imposing your eisegesis.