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This article confirms that Ali converted to Universal Sufism in his later years: 'Muhammad Ali's Religion' (Heavy, 5 June 2016). He will be dealing with the Lord God who said: Jesus: 'Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me"'...

Wormwood, I consider this to be an over-the-top, hyperbole of a response. I find this to be a strange comment as it contradicts the criteria for judgment of believers that Jesus gave in Matt 25:31-40 (ESV): Those who inherit the kingdom will be those who feed the hungry, give drink to the...

The problem is with tom55 and his interpretation.

What's your point in going on and on about this? I'm not interested in dealing with any more of your hypothetical inventions.

Tom, There's an important factor in your created story that is missing. If the elders of Church B know what they are doing, they'll have a meeting with the elders of Church A (even if by video link or Skype) to determine the facts of what happened with OzSpen and his sins at Church A. Church B...

That's not answering the issues I raised about Matt 18:15-20 (NIV).

Dcopy, Now to your responses: 1. I'm sure you realise that the church of the first few centuries did not have a Bible to read. Many of them were illiterate so even if they had a Bible, most would not be able to read and understand it. I've lived in the USA and Canada for 7 years, so I'm...

Dcopymope, I'm somewhat confused by some of your emphases here: Do you attend a church that believes in supernatural ministry through prayer? I'm thinking of your comment about not finding people who can pray for healing and casting out demons. Does your church not have a corporate prayer...

Tom, You are being obstinate. Jesus is basic in his instruction in Matt 18:15-20 (NIV) Jesus said that if a singular person (brother or sister) sinned against another and reconciliation was not possible, take one or two others with him/her to establish the matter. If that brother or sister...

Tom, Jesus disagrees with your view: 'If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector' (Matt 18:17 NIV). Oz

Tom, I'm not doing another round with you. It is the original text (autographa) that is theopneustos (breathed out by God). A statement of faith of a local church is for that church's jurisdiction and discipline. All of us are involved in hermeneutics of the text, pastors and laity. Oz

That's a red herring! :rolleyes:

An accusation without evidence would be thrown out of court. On a Christian forum like this, an accusation without evidence is just as poor a defense. Now step up to the plate and provide the evidence against me.

It's too bad it is not your 'kind of thing' at this point of your life because it is causing you to have a massive blind spot when you don't know the horrendous divisions in the church - theological divisions - caused by unorthodox theology in the first 5 centuries of the church's existence...

That's a red herring reply.

I suggest you do some more study of historical theology to discern that: When St Augustine challenged Pelagius on original sin, he was dealing with a core Christian doctrine of original sin. To deny original sin devastated the church in Pelagius's day. The division that Arianism caused...

That's the role of any local church or denomination that has a statement of faith based on Scripture. The court of appeal is Scripture as 2 Tim 3:16-17 (NIV) confirms: 'All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the...

Did that church early church include the teachings of Pelagius (ca 360-418) and did he divide the church of the 3rd-4th century? How about Marcion, bishop of Sinope, in the 2nd century? What did he do to devastate the church? Ever heard of Arianism and its teachings? Take a read of 'Heresy in...

Admin, What is the point you are trying to make with such a lengthy quote? What say you take one small piece and initiate a discussion about it? Oz

What is the original church? When was it established?