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I understand that. It is called 'the first cause argument'. Now provide some biblical evidence to support such a view. Oz

Wormwood, I think you are way too harsh in your assessment of what people have written in this thread. Take a read of Matt 25:31-46 (ESV). Oz

Butch, So face to face is a comparison, an example, you say. What is it an example of? You seem to be missing the point. Because τὸ τέλειον is neuter gender proves zero, nothing. Purpose or result is neuter in English also, but that doesn't mean a person doesn't have a purpose, which is a...

Butch, With respect, I'm imposing NOTHING on the passage. If the passage didn't state it or infer it, I would not be stating it. You still leave me guessing. whom I will I be seeing face to face. Will I be seeing myself in my own mirror? That would be eisegesis. Some of the ECF (early church...

Butch, I read and teach NT Greek so I know Greek well, including the difference between ginosko and epiginosko. You still have not dealt with the meaning of 'face to face' in 1 Cor 13:12 (ESV). Verse 12's literal reading is, 'For we see at the present time [arti] through a mirror, in a...

It is placing a limitation on God because of God's essence of holiness and righteousness-justice.

Butch, You are giving us a fairly standard cessationist argument, but you seem to miss a very important verse in 1 Cor 13:8-12 (ESV) that helps to unlock when these gifts will cease: Paul dares to tell us when the gifts will cease and they are not in the time frame you want us to believe. The...

Richard, The Book of James was written to Christian Jews as James 2:1 (ESV) confirms: 'My brothers [or brothers & sisters], show no partiality as you hold the faith in our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory'. They are those who hold faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, so they are Christian...

David, I suggest that for future encounters with cultists like this that you follow 2 John vv 4-11. Oz

Can God sin?

From that person, I would want clarification on 2 points: (1) What does the person mean by limitless? (2) When speaking about God who is infinite, I would ask if that person meant infinite in a quantitative or qualitative sense. Have you read William Lane Craig's response to this question in...

I note that you provided no Scripture to support your position.

Which church? The one to which I belong, which has elders in the leadership team.

Tom, There are several errors in what you have written here, in my understanding: 1. You claim there is 'obvious bias' in 1300 words quoted from 8 ECF (early church fathers) and 1300 words from 2 writers, Luther and Calvin. Has it ever crossed your mind that more material is available from...

It happens when the denomination allows such a person to be a minister. What's a minister anyway? A servant to the people? I've worked with many secular people who are kind and considerate of others. If the denomination permits such people to become ministers, it will happen over and over...

Tom, Even though there may be practices (church buildings, crosses, holy water, incense, etc) that are not stated in the NT, my understanding is that the primary way to know if doctrine of Scripture is right or wrong is to check the church's or denomination's 'Statement of Faith'. Does this...

Tom, This is a false accusation against me. Your statement, 'You always fall back on those two excuses when you are unable to answer tough questions' is baloney about my responses. You don't have a clue about how I respond. Your problem is that you continue to use logical fallacies and don't...

Thanks, Tom, for drawing that to my attention. I did overlook what you wrote with that statement. For that I apologise. I agree that there are many things we practice in the church (as you stated) that are not directly stated in the Bible. Sincerely, Oz

Tom, That is not what you first wrote to me and the email notification I received was that you stated this: That is flaming me and I've reported you for it. Oz