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  1. OzSpen

    Apologetics of low interest in churches

    BA, I'm pleased that your church is addressing some of these controversial - but needed - issues. What was the response from the congregation? Did your church develop a response sheet for those who attended to get their feedback and for them to suggest further apologetic topics? What was the...
  2. OzSpen

    Atheist friends mock me about Noah and the Ark

    Deborah, Why would there not have been lots of dead wood to burn? It was quite a while before Noah built the altar (Gen 8:20). God had told Noah, 'Every living thing that I have made I will blot out from the face of the ground' (Gen 7:4 ESV) and this surely would have included all trees and...
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    Atheist friends mock me about Noah and the Ark

    Amrak, Where does the Bible say that someday we will find Noah's Ark and prove that it existed? If you read the text of Genesis 6-9 about Noah's Ark and the flood, you will find that more was needed than 40 days and 40 nights of rain (Gen 7:12) for the waters to cover the mountains, 'All the...
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    Headship, Submission and Women in Ministry

    The Barrd, If you are truly Christian, yes this is the God you know and love. The problem is you won't believe all he tells you about himself and what he does. Do remember: 'All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that...
  5. OzSpen

    Headship, Submission and Women in Ministry

    I suggest you read Genesis 3 more carefully.
  6. OzSpen

    Headship, Submission and Women in Ministry

    Surely you would not feel like that if you were protected from the death penalty! :rolleyes:
  7. OzSpen

    Headship, Submission and Women in Ministry

    The Barrd, Who are you and I to tell the Lord what should be done with the evidence of suspected adultery. As Deborah has pointed out so nicely in #297, this was pro-women and not anti-women. Again, the Barrd, you are inventing with a 21st century mind. The test that is given to this woman...
  8. OzSpen

    Headship, Submission and Women in Ministry

    Deborah, You have stated the case so well and succinctly. That link you gave was brilliant in its content. Your emphasis on the positive impact of this Numbers 5 law was profound. We don't have any further OT evidence of this law being put into effect, but it was obviously there for the...
  9. OzSpen

    WHY WHINE ABOUT WINE, or BE a BEAR ABOUT BEER?

    That's a red herring fallacy of a response.
  10. OzSpen

    WHY WHINE ABOUT WINE, or BE a BEAR ABOUT BEER?

    Stan, If you continue with this kind of inflammatory response, I'll not reply. What I stated about Tim Greenwood did not deserve this kind of goading. If this is all you intend to do, I'll not bother to reply. Oz
  11. OzSpen

    Headship, Submission and Women in Ministry

    The Baard, Let's look at this section in a more easily understood translation: I'd like to pick up a few points you made in relation to this Scripture (plus a couple more): 1. Who is giving these instructions? It is the Lord giving them through Moses (v.11). 2. Who are they for? The...
  12. OzSpen

    WHY WHINE ABOUT WINE, or BE a BEAR ABOUT BEER?

    Stan, I have never heard of Tim Greenwood, but I see on the homepage, Tim Greenwood Ministries, that he believes healing is in the atonement. That places his theology in a controversial camp. I will not use the language of 'healing in the atonement' because the inference is that it is placed...
  13. OzSpen

    Is God male?

    Stan, That's your tripartite understanding of human nature. There are many who are bipartite. I consider that the issues need more exposition than your one-liner. Evangelical apologist and theologian Norman Geisler rightly states that "the primary meaning of soul can most often be captured...
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    Is God male?

    The Barrd, John 4:24 (ESV) confirms, 'God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth'. To have gender one must be a biological being. Does a spirit have gender? A spirit does not have flesh and blood (Luke 24:39). God is most often referred to by the masculine...
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    WHY WHINE ABOUT WINE, or BE a BEAR ABOUT BEER?

    Drunkenness may lead to alcoholism. Seems as though you don't want to deal with the issues I've raised about alcohol and the Christian. Take a read of the abstracts of these journal articles that link drinking and drunkenness with alcoholism or addiction: Situational norms for drinking and...
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    Headship, Submission and Women in Ministry

    The Barrd, WW was citing these verses to which you replied: Which of these verses are teaching you that, 'if you honestly believe that God directed jealous husbands to have the priest give their wives filth from the floor mixed with holy water to drink, in order to test her fidelity...I can't...
  17. OzSpen

    Headship, Submission and Women in Ministry

    WW, I accept the whole OT and NT as authoritative and from God. However, what seems to be happening in this discussion is that we are skipping around or over these difficult passages in the Pentateuch that do state some strange things when understood by my Western mind. Therefore, could the...
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    WHY WHINE ABOUT WINE, or BE a BEAR ABOUT BEER?

    Stan, I have been a counsellor for 34 years who has had to deal with more than my fair share of those who have drunk alcohol to excess and I've seen the impact on individuals and families. I don't need an MD to tell me what the Scripture says is the sin of unrighteousness, drunkenness...
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    WHY WHINE ABOUT WINE, or BE a BEAR ABOUT BEER?

    The Barrd, Scythians were a nomadic (wandering) group of people in the region around Iran today who are known from about the 9th century. BC. Greek historian Herodotus was the first to write about them. Here is a brief article about them in Encyclopaedia Britannica (S v Scythian). Blessings, Oz