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1. No works are NOT an essential component of faith. Faith is an essential component of salvation and our works of the flesh have no part of it. 2. Works are NOT evidence of faith in the eyes of God. -- he looks not on the flesh but one the heart; he lloks not at the seen but the unseen...

Phoneman, That was a pretty good post up until the end. I believe in predestination in that God chose some folks before the foundations of the world were laid. That does not mean it would be easy. It simplt means God knows, and wills it. And i believe God will get his way. There are...

I didn't take it out of context. I just listed it as something to consider. I actually follow politics and even vote. On the otherhand, i don't get bogged down or entangled with it so much that it affects my spiritual walk .

Well said! The Holy Ghost is the spirit of truth and Jesus (the Word) is truth. When you worship the Father correctly you are worshipping in [the spirit] and in truth [Jesus].

Thia reminds me of a former converation i had with someone who believes that the law of Moses is different from the law of God and that the 10 commandants (what this person believes to be the law of God and not Moses) is still in effect. Is that what yoy are saying?

Phoneman, that is a good example. Again, I don't mind folks referring to the greek or hebrew. I still don't think its needed as much as people here use it and I believe more often than not its used to get OUT of a verse rather than upholding it. In the case you are talking about, the...

Yea... Umm... No, it's not a mouthful. And second there were a lot more then ten. There were actually 613. And if you keep one you have to keep them all. No, but I notice the guilty party never believes its them even after you give scriptural proof. Oh jee. A thousand pardons. <_< AND...

I sense even stronger that you have a hidden agenda. Did you read all of what i said? I fight hard for grace through faith. I believe in it, and i don't back away from it. Yet, the bible teaches what you do with those who are not sound in the faith, which i noted. Regardless of the truth...

1. "A handful of simple rules".... Well there's a big understatement since no one has ever kept them! This Romans 3 says it clearly as does John. And remember the words of Jesus when he said, "therefore he that breaks the least of these laws and shall teach men to do so, the same shall be...

That's right.... We were created by Christ in Christ unto his good works. Not ours. I didn't say you didn't read the entire text. I said you have to read it in context. And I'm not self righteous.... Looking at these verses, the self righteous ones were those that follow the law. That ain't...

Wow, you certainly left Eph 2:8-10 quickly. Concerning Rom 2:13: you probably hate when people tell you this; but you must read in proper context. Paul was making a point which lasted from verse 1 all the way to Rom 3:18 or 19. The point was that Jews were trying to judge gentiles by the law...

I Barrd! I can! And i can make it coincide with the previous two verses! Want to hear it? We are Christ's workmanship. We ARE the work. And we walk in that good work Christ did as he foreordained us to do. The way people want to read those verses is that we are saved by grace; not of works...

1. I don't mind folks looking at the greek definitions. What i don't like is when people use it to get around what the verse says in english. I don't believe the bible or even one verse in the bible needs to be retranslated as it has already been done. Furthermore, its really not that...

Oz, tou said, "bye".... Thought that meant you were done!

Now Ozspen... First you say I did not answer my question and then you confirm that I did answer your question. You are one kooky guy!!! There is nothing healthy about this conversation and when you can't make your point with an English Bible and look to try a different language, I don't want...

I already answered that question. Please try to keep up with the conversation. And you are guilty of a not-reponding-to-what-i-wrote fallacy.

Yes! And i would've gotten away with it if it weren't for these meddling kids!

Oz, look. When you start going to a greek dictionary you are in danger of mistranslating. For each word, there may be several different meanings. That gives you lattitude to pick your own meaning. Thus, you get to retranslate the bible. I'm not going to accuse you of that, but I've seen it...

Yea.... Wasn't there a Scooby Doo episode where that happened?

That's a great trick! Write something, wait for a reply, change the post and then accuse me of replying to something that isn't there! Smooth move Oz!