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My reply is still the same. Don't you want to discover an answer for yourself, rather than have a bunch of people tell you their prejudices?

How many passages of the Bible have you compared on this particular subject? And is the meaning of each of the passages explicitly speaking of Salvation? Here is only one of dozens of sites where people have compiled verses that relate to baptism. Baptism: Complete List of Bible Verses

Got anything specific in mind?

QUOTE=""ByGrace", post: 537369, member: 4427"]Good one...I had not 'seen' that. Thanks. Don't get too carried away with that "exact" measurement business. The dimensions seem to vary in length, depending upon who is doing the conversion. (Besides, I am pretty sure TNJ just represents "The...

Sounds like a cube to me.

It kind of plainly gives dimensions.

The answer: The 1000 Year Reign of Christ ???

Curious: How many times is the phrase "1,000 year reign of Christ" mentioned in the Bible?

That is what is already getting so many of us into trouble...… "I read that he said that They believe such and such."

I do get a kick out of so much literalism in Bible reading. Many people still think stars are going to crash into the Earth to make life here more miserable for people.

Congratulations. That is pretty much the view of the more rigid of the Christian Reconstructionists.

Yeah, I have read quite a bit "about" him also. But, very little "by" him. That is going to change.

Yes. That is why I once recommended the book by John Powell, "Why Am I Afraid to Tell You Who I Am?" One of my first instructors in psychology gave me the copy I still own.

An interesting thought. Thank you.

Someone here suggested going all the way back to the source, and reading what John Calvin, himself, actually said and believed..... rather than letting much of the offshoots of his teachings get us too twisted-up. I admit I have not done as much of that as I should with Calvin. But, I intend...

I think it is attributed to Abraham Lincoln that he said: "I don't think I like that man. I believe I will go over to him, and get to know him."

IT IS MY STRONG BELIEF THAT IF THE "SITE" YOU HAVE CHOSEN TO USE TO JUDGE WHAT OTHERS BELIEVE, SAYS: "This is what they believe.", instead of, "This is what we believe."...…. then there is a 100% chance you are on the wrong site.

One answer would be that they actually believe we are to obey God's laws. (How dare they!?!?!?!?)

One thing I have come to see is that many of us say: "I used to be POSITIVE that "A" was right. But I have learned, and now know, POSITIVELY, that "B" is right. Yet, we entertain no possibility of the concept that perhaps two weeks from now, we will be POSITIVE that "C" is right.

I don't know if it is just this forum, but over the past several years, I have come to be able to see opposite sides more objectively..... AND to realize that several sides can be both partially right and partially wrong, at the same time.