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Please do so. Thank you.

Please stop being rude. There will be no discussion of your extra-Biblical ideas. They are nowhere explicitly stated, so I'm not interested. You will not hijack this thread and make it about yourself by making it about your personal ideas. Love is not rude. Stop being rude.

Lol I'm sorry! How so? He truly had flesh, I am not doubting or debating that. He just didn't have sinful flesh, He had flesh without that, sorta like Adam and Eve had had before the fall.

We are referred to as Christ's offspring in Isaiah 53. Perhaps relevant: The Jews say, based on a verse in the Law, that one's disciples are accounted as one's children. But, it is a little confusing, because those of us in Christ are sons of God the Father, and, yes, it does say we are Christ's...

I'm reposting earlier posts, because they are being buried by users wrangling about wanting to import extra-Biblical ideas to the discussion.

I'm reposting earlier posts, because they are being buried by users wrangling about wanting to import extra-Biblical ideas to the discussion.

Actually, I am merely limiting the discussion to the Scriptures--nowhere does the NT teach "early rain" and "latter rain" ideas. I just want to discuss the words of the NT. Those words are plenty difficult to understand, as Peter says, so I'm not going to add to that difficulty by importing...

Please do not be disorderly. There will be no discussion on your "early rain" idea. That is not the topic. It is off topic.

The Apostles don't mention it, so it's not necessary to understand their teachings. Again, you are free to start your own thread, since you are interested in discussing your own ideas.

There will be no discussion of "early rain" in this thread. I encourage you to start your own thread on the topic.

Yes, it is not relevant. I have raised the Scriptures I consider relevant to the topic, you may interact with them if you wish to engage me in discussion on the topic I have raised. If you wish to discuss your topic of "early rain and latter rain", I encourage you to start a thread on it.

I'm glad you noted the context--the issue is hardness and softness of the heart, it is not related to "flesh" as used by Paul in the NT, but to the issue of how a heart can be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin (Hb 3:12,13) versus "a good and honest heart" that receives the Word and bears...

Judgment of believers is not complete until Christ returns (Ro 2:6-16).

I do not believe in "early" and "latter" rain (as you are using it), because it is not taught by the Apostles, and I will not discuss it--again, the Scripture is already difficult enough to understand without adding terminology to it, so I prefer to stay within Its bounds.

God works in Christians, but Christians do not always walk in God's works--eg, "obey, for it is God at work in you" Php 2:12,13--that is part of the issue addressed in this thread.

The reason I mentioned that John's letter is against Gnosticism is because it can be abused otherwise--eg, John says that "every spirit that confesses Christ is come in the flesh is of God", but we know that that cannot be true in every case, because the Galatians were never told to not believe...

This issue is easily resolved: it is true that our flesh is sinful, which is why Christ destroys it for us when we share in His death (Ro 6:6, 7:4), but Christ's flesh was not. It may be that this was the reason He had to have no human father--the curse of the sinful flesh may be passed through...

Thanks.

Romans 2:6-16, 14:5,23 disagree with the idea that works we do will not justify and save us--justification by faith alone, and by works of faith is the conundrum this thread seeks to address, and you are free to interact with the material I've furnished which seeks to reconcile the seemingly...

Please go out of your way to not make remarks about others, as it could offend them, and that could start a flame war, which would waste tons of time and space, and destroy the discussion. PLEASE DO NOT MAKE REMARKS ABOUT OTHER USERS.